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Post#1701 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Apr 4, 2021 9:08 pm

midranger wrote:If Khris just accepted the super Korver role and put up 12 threes a game he’d be great. Never dribble when both Giannis and Jrue were on the court, just shoot a ton of open threes from their gravity. Slide in to secondary scorer/playmaker mode when one steps off the court.

I’m not saying he’s bad as is. We’re just not optimizing him, nor the team at large strength spamming isos to him like a third of the game


Yep. And hopefully Teague can help be that primary ball-handler during those stretches when only Khris is on the court (and not Giannis or Jrue). It's almost as if his best role would be like what Bojan Bogdanovic provides for half the price. This is like the John Salmons/Michael Redd discussion deja vu.
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Post#1702 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Apr 4, 2021 9:18 pm

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Garden Of Edens wrote:I think the Bucks will have to move Lopez next year so they can sign Donte. He’s going to get at least 10mil a year


Just trade Donte for Davion.


Why not both?
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Post#1703 » by midranger » Sun Apr 4, 2021 9:48 pm

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Post#1704 » by DavidDunn21 » Sun Apr 4, 2021 10:10 pm

midranger wrote:If Khris just accepted the super Korver role and put up 12 threes a game he’d be great. Never dribble when both Giannis and Jrue were on the court, just shoot a ton of open threes from their gravity. Slide in to secondary scorer/playmaker mode when one steps off the court. Take over the game in the 2-of-15 games he’s completely lights out in.

This is way for Khris. Forget about dribbling the clock down and trying to facilitate.

I’m not saying he’s bad as is. We’re just not optimizing him, nor the team at large strength spamming isos to him like a third of the game
Fun Fact: Khris has attempted nine 3 pointers ONCE THIS SEASON

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Post#1705 » by slos » Sun Apr 4, 2021 10:53 pm

The tax line for 2021-22 is projected to be at 136,6 mil and Bucks are now already there with 8 players under contract control...

1. Giannis.........$39,344,900
2. Middleton......$35,500,000
3. Holiday.........$30,133,333 (est)
4. Lopez...........$13,302,325
5. Connaughton...$5,333,334
6. DiVincenzo.....$4,675,830
7. Nwora...........$1,517,981
8. Merrill...........$1,517,981 (NG)
- dead money......$5,034,893 (Leuer, Sanders)
- total............$136,360,577

That's without Teague/Forbes/Thanasis/Tucker/Portis (and Kurucs).

- Obviously Portis is the most difficult task here. Let's hope he is talked into a 2y/12mil/PO tax-MLE with a handshake that we will take care of him in 2022-23 when Bucks will have his early Bird rights.
- Tucker needs to be extended for one more year. It's either him or some other vet with the min.
- Thanasis will get the min.
- Forbes will probably opt in.
- Teague might earn himself an extra season in Milwaukee.
- Diakite and the HOU SRP gets us to 15.

That's about 22 mil in the tax without counting Jrue's bonuses.
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Post#1706 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Apr 4, 2021 11:39 pm

Rockets have released Justin Patton from his 2 way. I'd replace Toupane with Patton.
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Post#1707 » by Jez2983 » Sun Apr 4, 2021 11:45 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Rockets have released Justin Patton from his 2 way. I'd replace Toupane with Patton.


I reckon we could replace Toupane with anyone. Just didn't see it with him, unfortunately.
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Post#1708 » by RiotPunch » Sun Apr 4, 2021 11:52 pm

Understand wanting another big in Patton, but I'd rather go get DaQuan Jeffries. I still think he has a role in this league, the Kings are a dumb organization.
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Post#1709 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Apr 4, 2021 11:55 pm

When can we extend DDV?
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Post#1710 » by slos » Mon Apr 5, 2021 12:13 am

ReasonablySober wrote:When can we extend DDV?


Probably in the offseason. I would be happy with a 4y/50mil.
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Post#1711 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Apr 5, 2021 12:19 am

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ReasonablySober wrote:When can we extend DDV?


Probably in the offseason. I would be happy with a 4y/50mil.


Kennard got 4/64 with year 4 being a TO. I’d expect DDV gets about the same.
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Post#1712 » by Matches Malone » Mon Apr 5, 2021 12:19 am

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Post#1713 » by emunney » Mon Apr 5, 2021 12:40 am

RiotPunch wrote:Understand wanting another big in Patton, but I'd rather go get DaQuan Jeffries. I still think he has a role in this league, the Kings are a dumb organization.


They let him go?? Two year deal right now.
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Post#1714 » by buckbeer » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:19 am

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Looks like a very good deal for the Bucks, shows that Jrue wants to stay with the Bucks.
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Post#1715 » by buckbeer » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:35 am

slos wrote:The tax line for 2021-22 is projected to be at 136,6 mil and Bucks are now already there with 8 players under contract control...

1. Giannis.........$39,344,900
2. Middleton......$35,500,000
3. Holiday.........$30,133,333 (est)
4. Lopez...........$13,302,325
5. Connaughton...$5,333,334
6. DiVincenzo.....$4,675,830
7. Nwora...........$1,517,981
8. Merrill...........$1,517,981 (NG)
- dead money......$5,034,893 (Leuer, Sanders)
- total............$136,360,577

That's without Teague/Forbes/Thanasis/Tucker/Portis (and Kurucs).

- Obviously Portis is the most difficult task here. Let's hope he is talked into a 2y/12mil/PO tax-MLE with a handshake that we will take care of him in 2022-23 when Bucks will have his early Bird rights.
- Tucker needs to be extended for one more year. It's either him or some other vet with the min.
- Thanasis will get the min.
- Forbes will probably opt in.
- Teague might earn himself an extra season in Milwaukee.
- Diakite and the HOU SRP gets us to 15.

That's about 22 mil in the tax without counting Jrue's bonuses.


Of all the non-starters in the team, the Bucks must keep Portis, he's a perfect center for the Bucks with his shooting abilities and offense and rebounding. Tucker, Teague and Kurucs can go, if Forbes doesn't opt in, he can go. If Thanasis wants more than the minimum, he can go too.

Next season's roster
Starters: Jrue, DDV, Khris, Giannis, Brook
Bench: Merrill, Pat, Nwora, Diakite, Portis, Thanasis (minimum), Houston SRP
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Post#1716 » by giannis and 1 » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:58 am

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I'm hoping for that too, but based on what Horst gave to Middleton, I don't think it's going to happen.

At the end of the day, it is better to have Jrue Holiday on your team even if it means signing him for 5 years than to let him go.

Yeah, Horst has been throwing so much money out to everyone since he took over. Every single one of our players we re-signed were overpaid, except for Giannis. I expect a 4/140 deal with a player option on the 4th year. We will realize after next season that we are **** paying Giannis, Jrue, and Middleton $120/year with no cap space or draft picks to do anything. Then we will trade Middleton but botch the trade. Then Giannis will be pissed and demand a trade. Then the owners will sell us to Seattle or we will re-live the Kohl era for 20 years until we luck out once again.

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Post#1717 » by giannis and 1 » Mon Apr 5, 2021 2:37 am

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djsunyc wrote:$120 mil/year between 3 players. bucks need to be prepared to be repeat tax offenders for many years.


I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they looked at moving Middleton in the off-season if we can't get further in the playoffs.

I've been saying this. And it support it.
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Post#1718 » by aboveAverage » Mon Apr 5, 2021 12:00 pm

Some of you guys don’t understand the reality and the difficulties of building a championship level NBA team in Milwaukee. Are some players overpaid? Maybe. Did our organization do everything perfectly? No. But which organization has? We have three all stars, one of them a superstar, signed for the next 3-4 years. We have a legit shot of contending for a championship for the next three years. In the NBA, that’s pretty much what every franchise strives for. First you get your core assets in place, then you tweak the roster.

A really good big three costs a lot of money. That’s just how it is in the league today. We’re now in the position to compete for a championship for the next few years, and that’s good enough for me.
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Post#1719 » by EastSideBucksFan » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:12 pm

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midranger wrote:If Khris just accepted the super Korver role and put up 12 threes a game he’d be great. Never dribble when both Giannis and Jrue were on the court, just shoot a ton of open threes from their gravity. Slide in to secondary scorer/playmaker mode when one steps off the court.

I’m not saying he’s bad as is. We’re just not optimizing him, nor the team at large strength spamming isos to him like a third of the game


Yep. And hopefully Teague can help be that primary ball-handler during those stretches when only Khris is on the court (and not Giannis or Jrue). It's almost as if his best role would be like what Bojan Bogdanovic provides for half the price. This is like the John Salmons/Michael Redd discussion deja vu.



Bud tried to make Khris a super Korver role player when he got here and it failed terribly. Mids need the ball in his hands to get in to a rhythm and get his shot going. I think he's "slumped" a bit of late since Jrue's emergence and higher usage. Still, Khris is putting up fine numbers overall, 20/6/5 is nothing to worry about. It's when he gets too much defensive attention, traps and doubles that he wilts disappears during the game. That's what Bucks need to figure out how to counter before playoffs come.

Some of the forced mismatched iso's feels like a page out of Kidd's playbook, as long as it's not overdone, it's a fine thing for him to have as part of his bag.
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Post#1720 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:22 pm

The whole "Super Korver" thing is a comically bad mismanagement of Khris' offensive talent and I'm amazed that people still suggest it on a regular basis. The last two years he's been in like, the 90th percentile of ISO scoring efficiency and has legit turned into one of the best 3-level wing scorers in basketball.

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