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Post#181 » by Prez » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:47 pm

Crowder has literally 1 season where he shot better from 3 than Donte this season, and it was like 4 years ago. Dude's a career 34% 3PT guy and has shot below that mark 6 of his 9 seasons, but since he shot out of his mind for like a 6 game stretch in the playoffs he's all of a sudden a sniper? What are we doing here lmao.
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#182 » by -Jragon- » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:48 pm

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-Jragon- wrote:I can't help your reading and comprehension but I can clarify. Check Crowders Miami stats 3 pnt %. It says 45 and I understand it's his highest year but my interpretation is that with all the talent there he had an easy catch and shoot job which yes I believe he could do here.


Do you comprehend that's not a full season? it's only the like 15-20 games he played with them. You want to value a 20 game sample over a 10 year career where he's always been playing in catch/shoot roles, just like in MIA.


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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#183 » by DingleJerry » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:52 pm

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FrieAaron wrote:I understand not trusting Donte's shooting yet, but Crowder isn't historically a sniper by any means either. This is one of those grass is always greener scenarios.



Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.


I think we all agree with that. Kind of one of the reasons I'm only so-so on Jrue as 'the fit' here. DDV already isn't a pure shooter/scorer type so i'd have preferred to pair with one who is rather than two jack of all trade types together. But we're trying to get you up on what realistic expectations are for a 'sniper.' Close to 50% is not realistic over a long sample. 37-43 is. Within that percent will be hot streaks where you get a FVV/Crowder 3 game stretch and there will be 29% stretches too.

To your other posts, it's impossible to predict who will have their hot/cold streaks and when like your Crowder push.
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#184 » by -Jragon- » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:58 pm

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FrieAaron wrote:I understand not trusting Donte's shooting yet, but Crowder isn't historically a sniper by any means either. This is one of those grass is always greener scenarios.



Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.


I think we all agree with that. Kind of one of the reasons I'm only so-so on Jrue as 'the fit' here. DDV already isn't a pure shooter/scorer type so i'd have preferred to pair with one who is rather than two jack of all trade types together. But we're trying to get you up on what realistic expectations are for a 'sniper.' Close to 50% is not realistic over a long sample. 37-43 is. Within that percent will be hot streaks where you get a FVV/Crowder 3 game stretch and there will be 29% stretches too.


Well... we need more hot streaks. My understanding is that Donte shoots more wide open 3s than anyone and if he can't hit 50% of those go. I get there are shot clock shots so he should be in the upper 40s. I mean, he's 60th or 70th best in 3point % on low usage in the league so let's not pretend that's good
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#185 » by FrieAaron » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:00 pm

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FrieAaron wrote:I understand not trusting Donte's shooting yet, but Crowder isn't historically a sniper by any means either. This is one of those grass is always greener scenarios.


Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.


And we're to this point the 4th best 3 point shooting team in the league, so we've done a pretty good job of that it seems. Again, I get not completely trusting Donte shooting yet. A lot of his good shooting is still being buoyed by his insanely hot start to the year. After his first 6 games his 3 point shooting has been 32.9% which is close to his average and obviously not very good.

The reason this is potentially a bigger issue, though - Donte is taking the second most threes on the team per game, behind only Forbes. There's absolutely no reason he should be taking more threes per game than Khris.
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#186 » by DingleJerry » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:03 pm

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Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.


I think we all agree with that. Kind of one of the reasons I'm only so-so on Jrue as 'the fit' here. DDV already isn't a pure shooter/scorer type so i'd have preferred to pair with one who is rather than two jack of all trade types together. But we're trying to get you up on what realistic expectations are for a 'sniper.' Close to 50% is not realistic over a long sample. 37-43 is. Within that percent will be hot streaks where you get a FVV/Crowder 3 game stretch and there will be 29% stretches too.


Well... we need more hot streaks. My understanding is that Donte shoots more wide open 3s than anyone and if he can't hit 50% of those go. I get there are shot clock shots so he should be in the upper 40s. I mean, he's 60th or 70th best in 3point % on low usage in the league so let's not pretend that's good


Again, these expectation are just wildly off. The league leader most years are only 46ish% and they're usually specialist who only catch/shoot (JJ, Korver, Harris types). Yes, 38% is good. Not great/elite/sniper, but it's good.

I asked someone if they could dig up data on dribble vs catch/shoot. hopefully someone does.
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#187 » by -Jragon- » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:16 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
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I think we all agree with that. Kind of one of the reasons I'm only so-so on Jrue as 'the fit' here. DDV already isn't a pure shooter/scorer type so i'd have preferred to pair with one who is rather than two jack of all trade types together. But we're trying to get you up on what realistic expectations are for a 'sniper.' Close to 50% is not realistic over a long sample. 37-43 is. Within that percent will be hot streaks where you get a FVV/Crowder 3 game stretch and there will be 29% stretches too.


Well... we need more hot streaks. My understanding is that Donte shoots more wide open 3s than anyone and if he can't hit 50% of those go. I get there are shot clock shots so he should be in the upper 40s. I mean, he's 60th or 70th best in 3point % on low usage in the league so let's not pretend that's good


Again, these expectation are just wildly off. The league leader most years are only 46ish% and they're usually specialist who only catch/shoot (JJ, Korver, Harris types). Yes, 38% is good. Not great/elite/sniper, but it's good.

I asked someone if they could dig up data on dribble vs catch/shoot. hopefully someone does.


Right, that's what we need starting and playing the majority of minutes with Giannis which is why we tried trading for Bogdan who is playing crappy. Donte is a bench guy til he's 45%+ from 3.

I don't have the stat but eyes watching the game Donte doesn't have to dribble before 3s. If anything his confidence is fcked lately and he's pump faking, driving and missing 2s instead. Sit him
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#188 » by FrieAaron » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:19 pm

-Jragon- wrote: Donte is a bench guy til he's 45%+ from 3.


That's absurd. He's a bench player until he's one of the best 3 point shooters of all time? How about he just picks his spots better to look for his shot?
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#189 » by -Jragon- » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:27 pm

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-Jragon- wrote: Donte is a bench guy til he's 45%+ from 3.


That's absurd. He's a bench player until he's one of the best 3 point shooters of all time? How about he just picks his spots better to look for his shot?



I guess you rely on stats since you can't watch... he's just as wide open as Forbes and Portis all night, he just keeps missing. He's not forcing shots
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Post#190 » by -Jragon- » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:31 pm

Korver was opposite.... they kept a guy on him because he was the only one that wouldn't miss a wide open shot.

With Donte they double off of him because he's the only one that will likely miss a wide open shot.

Solution.... replace him with a sniper and now they have to double off Jrue or Brook and it's goodnight Irene
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Post#191 » by FrieAaron » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:47 pm

-Jragon- wrote:I guess you rely on stats since you can't watch... he's just as wide open as Forbes and Portis all night, he just keeps missing. He's not forcing shots


This is a cop out answer. I've watched every game this season and I'm not sure what me watching would even have to do with this discussion.

There are 12 players in the NBA currently shooting 45% or higher from three on over a very generous 2 attempts per game and 2 of those players are already Bucks. Of those 12 players, only Joe Harris, Joe Ingles, Bryn Forbes and Cameron Payne have done it before. Most of the rest haven't even been that close. One of them is Tony Snell. You're requiring Donte to be elite before he can start. I think there are arguments to play Donte less with Giannis but setting the bar at 45% is, again, absurd.
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Post#192 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:48 pm

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FrieAaron wrote:I understand not trusting Donte's shooting yet, but Crowder isn't historically a sniper by any means either. This is one of those grass is always greener scenarios.



Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.

As someone who doesn't mind having a Bryn Forbes on the team this is such a terrible strategy.
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Post#193 » by WRau1 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:52 pm

Lol, if Donte shot 45% from 3, he'd be a top 20 player in the league.
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#194 » by coolhandluke121 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:07 pm

-Jragon- wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:I understand not trusting Donte's shooting yet, but Crowder isn't historically a sniper by any means either. This is one of those grass is always greener scenarios.



Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.


Opponents would love it if the Bucks would play a Bryn Forbes level talent at every position all game long. They'd literally score 200 points per game and you'd be bitching about the Bucks not hitting 65% of their 3's instead of 50% and say that's the problem. :lol:
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#195 » by -Jragon- » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:14 am

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FrieAaron wrote:I understand not trusting Donte's shooting yet, but Crowder isn't historically a sniper by any means either. This is one of those grass is always greener scenarios.



Like I hope you guys understand I wasn't saying trade for him. The idea in general is play Giannis with 4 snipers so if they double him they pay.


Opponents would love it if the Bucks would play a Bryn Forbes level talent at every position all game long. They'd literally score 200 points per game and you'd be bitching about the Bucks not hitting 65% of their 3's instead of 50% and say that's the problem. :lol:



Our starting D isn't bad... are we avoiding having slow footed Midds on the floor with Bryn?
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Post#196 » by -Jragon- » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:18 am

End of the day, I don't understand what Donte contributes on offense of he's not a threat to shoot or drive
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Post#197 » by -Jragon- » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:47 am

FrieAaron wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:I guess you rely on stats since you can't watch... he's just as wide open as Forbes and Portis all night, he just keeps missing. He's not forcing shots


This is a cop out answer. I've watched every game this season and I'm not sure what me watching would even have to do with this discussion.

There are 12 players in the NBA currently shooting 45% or higher from three on over a very generous 2 attempts per game and 2 of those players are already Bucks. Of those 12 players, only Joe Harris, Joe Ingles, Bryn Forbes and Cameron Payne have done it before. Most of the rest haven't even been that close. One of them is Tony Snell. You're requiring Donte to be elite before he can start. I think there are arguments to play Donte less with Giannis but setting the bar at 45% is, again, absurd.


Ok cool that you can watch... I lived overseas and couldn't for a couple years. I thought maybe you were because you seemed to not know that Donte catches and shoots mostly
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Post#198 » by emunney » Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:34 am

-Jragon- wrote:End of the day, I don't understand what Donte contributes on offense of he's not a threat to shoot or drive


Sure don't.
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Post#199 » by giannis and 1 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:01 am

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giannis and 1 wrote:Let's not forget that Forbes gets sheltered more than DDV due to his pitiful defensive ability, and therefore plays against a lower quality of competition than DDV, who obviously plays against tougher opponents since he's a starter.


When Giannis kicks out of a triple team, is Donte less wide open than Forbes? No.

Now I know there aren't a lot of guys who can hit 50% on wide open 3s, but what I'm saying is is that if we can't get another superstar that actually takes heat of Giannis even in high pressure playoff games, than the other option we might win with is getting those cold blooded shooters somehow and put them on the floor with Giannis so they CANT double him. It's not too difficult if you focus. I understand that it took like 3 1sts to upgrade Bledsoe to Bledsoe that can hit big shots and now we have to trade Donte and 3 seconds for a Donte that can hit big shots.

And furthermore, Forbes is on the team.. let's let him shoot some big shots and see if he has the balls or not. Pat C, for all the sh#t we give him has actually made a few crunchtime 3s lately but I'd like to see more consistency. We can't have the 1 for 6 days.

The thing is, we DO have more shooters now. We have the best offense lol. What we need more of is defense; our defense is terrible. Forbes is a part of the problem when it comes to our defensive woes, whereas DDV is part of the solution. BTW I like Forbes a lot, and when he was playing like ass in the beginning of the season, and everyone wanted him to be healthy scratched, I was one of the few that believed he was good.
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Re: PG Knicks: Bryn Curry 

Post#200 » by DrWood » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:08 am

-Jragon- wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
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Well... we need more hot streaks. My understanding is that Donte shoots more wide open 3s than anyone and if he can't hit 50% of those go. I get there are shot clock shots so he should be in the upper 40s. I mean, he's 60th or 70th best in 3point % on low usage in the league so let's not pretend that's good


Again, these expectation are just wildly off. The league leader most years are only 46ish% and they're usually specialist who only catch/shoot (JJ, Korver, Harris types). Yes, 38% is good. Not great/elite/sniper, but it's good.

I asked someone if they could dig up data on dribble vs catch/shoot. hopefully someone does.


Right, that's what we need starting and playing the majority of minutes with Giannis which is why we tried trading for Bogdan who is playing crappy. Donte is a bench guy til he's 45%+ from 3.

I don't have the stat but eyes watching the game Donte doesn't have to dribble before 3s. If anything his confidence is fcked lately and he's pump faking, driving and missing 2s instead. Sit him

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