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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#41 » by chonestown » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:16 am

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Unique wrote:One of the things that Bud has to realise is that Thanasis has extensive experience in European teams which means his defensive skills are way above the average joe (DDV, PatC, Forbes, Merill, etc) that plays for the Bucks.

Combined with the unending energy he brings with him, Thanasis NEEDS to be the guy you put on the opponent player that does the most damage to the Bucks at any single night.

And given how trash Bud's defense systems are, there's always going to be one.


Lumping in Donte and Pat with Forbes and Merrill is something.

Thanasis having European experience means less than dick regarding his defensive skills. This is like claiming Wisconsin program alums are a step ahead coming into the league because it was drilled into them years prior to their NBA arrival.


Yeah nah. Failed analogy :lol: :lol: .

Surely by now, you must have realised, if you've ever watched any European competitions, that the difference between the level of their defense compared to the NBA one is like day and night. Different referring rules though and different mindset.

For them, games are won when you are defending better than the opponent. Not when you score more points.

Anyway, the whole 'defense' topic has bigger extensions and deeper roots that go back to the structure of the game as NBA wants to sell.


In America, games are won when you score more points, chief. Same as in Europe, too.
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#42 » by Pachinko_ » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:20 am

Thanasis is basically Will Ferrell, high as a kite, inside peak Iguodala's body
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#43 » by mke_design » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:20 am

Did we decide to sit everyone to see what we had in everyone else? It’s uncommon to see an entire starting unit outside of a center to be out.
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Post#44 » by GoldenAntlers » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:25 am

Just watched the highlights. Wow - Thanasis was insane.
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#45 » by Unique » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:27 am

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Unique wrote:
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Lumping in Donte and Pat with Forbes and Merrill is something.

Thanasis having European experience means less than dick regarding his defensive skills. This is like claiming Wisconsin program alums are a step ahead coming into the league because it was drilled into them years prior to their NBA arrival.


Yeah nah. Failed analogy :lol: :lol: .

Surely by now, you must have realised, if you've ever watched any European competitions, that the difference between the level of their defense compared to the NBA one is like day and night. Different referring rules though and different mindset.

For them, games are won when you are defending better than the opponent. Not when you score more points.

Anyway, the whole 'defense' topic has bigger extensions and deeper roots that go back to the structure of the game as NBA wants to sell.


In America, games are won when you score more points, chief. Same as in Europe, too.


Is it though, chief? Cause, from where I sit something's not working for the bucks and I wonder what it is.. :lol: :lol:
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#46 » by aboveAverage » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:29 am

Nice to see that the rookies got significant playing time, but am I missing something here? Bud just decided to throw away a winnable home game? How is that acceptable?
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#47 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:46 am

aboveAverage wrote:Nice to see that the rookies got significant playing time, but am I missing something here? Bud just decided to throw away a winnable home game? How is that acceptable?

Giannis knee has been bothering him for a week. Jrue and Middleton got hurt Friday night. Donte has plantar fasciitis, which can linger a long time if not taken care of. Tucker has been hurt since he got here. Portis is in protocol.

Made sense to sit them.
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Post#49 » by HKPackFan » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:10 am

Forbes looked like the worst player. Can't believe nwora was hitting everything and they run a play for Forbes at the end, when Forbes missed all game.


Forbes as the veteran should have been lighting it up and he sucked. Yet Forbes was useless on D and missing on offense and can't pass or create.

I hope Merrill and Nwora get more minutes after this.

Merrill was a little disappointing but Nwora was fantastic. His shot looked soooo good.

This was actual a really fun game to watch. I had no idea what was going to happen. Getting prime Thanasis was really fun. His story book ended just fell short on his two last possessions, otherwise it was a thanasis fairy tale. Just fun stuff.
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Post#50 » by HKPackFan » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:12 am

Diakite doesn't quite know what he's doing on D yet but it was fun watching him swat everything and flash a couple things on O.
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#51 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:20 am

HKPackFan wrote:Forbes as the veteran should have been lighting it up and he sucked.

How does this compute? Literally the only reason he's an NBA player is because he can score off of good players. He should have been lighting it up playing off of Thanasis Antetokounmpo? I suppose if he was in the Euroleague or something he could break every Vassilis Spanoulis record but I'm not sure what you're expecting from him here.
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Post#52 » by FrieAaron » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:24 am

Unique wrote:Surely by now, you must have realised, if you've ever watched any European competitions, that the difference between the level of their defense compared to the NBA one is like day and night. Different referring rules though and different mindset.


And different level of offensive talent. This sounds like college fans talking about how much tougher the defense is at that level. I imagine things get much more difficult when you're guarding the best players in the world.
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Post#53 » by DrWood » Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:37 am

Unique wrote:
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Unique wrote:One of the things that Bud has to realise is that Thanasis has extensive experience in European teams which means his defensive skills are way above the average joe (DDV, PatC, Forbes, Merill, etc) that plays for the Bucks.

Combined with the unending energy he brings with him, Thanasis NEEDS to be the guy you put on the opponent player that does the most damage to the Bucks at any single night.

And given how trash Bud's defense systems are, there's always going to be one.



It’s probably worth noting that DDV is actually an excellent defender, and if the other teams best player is a 1-3 that we would put Jrue on him. Jrue is by far our best perimeter 1 on 1 defender. He’s a damn magician on the defensive end.


While I agree about Jrue, I don't think I agree with DDV.

Defending consists of two parts. When your opponent has the ball in his possession and when he's not. I've noticed DDV is above average to chase someone who tries to get the ball. Obviously because of his fast legs. But when it comes to defending someone who has the ball, DDV has absolutely NO idea how to steal the ball from him. This is where Jrue and Thanasis prevail.

You might be watching the wrong things. And when did Euro players get the reputation for being superior defenders?
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Post#54 » by Perseus1966 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:37 am

players have to play ,when they plaqy you see things.
Thanasis was defending Luka in euroleague and he did a good job.
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Post#55 » by DrWood » Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:40 am

MickeyDavis wrote:
aboveAverage wrote:Nice to see that the rookies got significant playing time, but am I missing something here? Bud just decided to throw away a winnable home game? How is that acceptable?

Giannis knee has been bothering him for a week. Jrue and Middleton got hurt Friday night. Donte has plantar fasciitis, which can linger a long time of not taken care of. Tucker has been hurt since he got here. Portis is in protocol.

Made sense to sit them.

I'd have been pissed if I spent $ on a ticket and 5 of the top 7 players sat out.
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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#56 » by Pachinko_ » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:14 am

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Unique wrote:Surely by now, you must have realised, if you've ever watched any European competitions, that the difference between the level of their defense compared to the NBA one is like day and night. Different referring rules though and different mindset.


And different level of offensive talent. This sounds like college fans talking about how much tougher the defense is at that level. I imagine things get much more difficult when you're guarding the best players in the world.

Yeah there is that. But there's a lot of NBA players whose production drops when they play outside the NBA, see Doncic, Giannis, Jokic (and pretty much the whole team USA when they play anyone decent).
There's a lot that goes into it, different rules favouring defense, smaller court, knock out life-and-death games, and the fact that European players work a lot more on team D from a young age.
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Post#57 » by SKG » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:20 am

chonestown wrote:
Unique wrote:
chonestown wrote:
Lumping in Donte and Pat with Forbes and Merrill is something.

Thanasis having European experience means less than dick regarding his defensive skills. This is like claiming Wisconsin program alums are a step ahead coming into the league because it was drilled into them years prior to their NBA arrival.


Yeah nah. Failed analogy :lol: :lol: .

Surely by now, you must have realised, if you've ever watched any European competitions, that the difference between the level of their defense compared to the NBA one is like day and night. Different referring rules though and different mindset.

For them, games are won when you are defending better than the opponent. Not when you score more points.

Anyway, the whole 'defense' topic has bigger extensions and deeper roots that go back to the structure of the game as NBA wants to sell.


In America, games are won when you score more points, chief. Same as in Europe, too.


If you just depend on your offense from 1 or 2 guys you are set for failure when tour guys have off nights, we jave seen that in the playoffs.

Defense can be there every night and you can win games by being bad on offense
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Post#58 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:30 pm

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Are you making an analogy to the game?

It's a sad commentary on the state of the NBA regular season when you care more about a game like this than at least 75% of the games that actually "matter."
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Post#59 » by emunney » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:38 pm

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chonestown wrote:
Unique wrote:
Yeah nah. Failed analogy :lol: :lol: .

Surely by now, you must have realised, if you've ever watched any European competitions, that the difference between the level of their defense compared to the NBA one is like day and night. Different referring rules though and different mindset.

For them, games are won when you are defending better than the opponent. Not when you score more points.

Anyway, the whole 'defense' topic has bigger extensions and deeper roots that go back to the structure of the game as NBA wants to sell.


In America, games are won when you score more points, chief. Same as in Europe, too.


If you just depend on your offense from 1 or 2 guys you are set for failure when tour guys have off nights, we jave seen that in the playoffs.

Defense can be there every night and you can win games by being bad on offense


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Re: PG Knicks: Depleted Bucks Come Up Short 

Post#60 » by remi_222 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:42 pm

whats your thoughts on Toupane's game ?

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