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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#221 » by emunney » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:50 pm

Are there lots of 22 year olds with multiple All-NBA teams (safe assumption he makes it this year) that I don't know about?
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#222 » by crowhead76 » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:06 pm

Jrue's contract next year makes him the 30th highest paid player in the league, I do not think there is any doubt he is a top 30 player, I also don't think there is much doubt he could have made more if he became a free agent.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#223 » by drew881 » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:07 pm

M-C-G wrote:Don't recall if I posted it, but I think this is why the owners were wise to not start the paying tax clock yet. If we would have gone into tax last season and did the repeat offender thing, by the time Giannis extension jumps next season, if we were two years in, nothing would be sustainable. By waiting, at least this gives us a window of a few years before it becomes too much.


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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#224 » by DingleJerry » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:11 pm

I'm just happy it's done now and not in the offseason which would've brought the 5th year into play, not ideal at his age imo.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#225 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:19 pm

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M-C-G wrote:Don't recall if I posted it, but I think this is why the owners were wise to not start the paying tax clock yet. If we would have gone into tax last season and did the repeat offender thing, by the time Giannis extension jumps next season, if we were two years in, nothing would be sustainable. By waiting, at least this gives us a window of a few years before it becomes too much.


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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#226 » by BigO » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:20 pm

emunney wrote:Are there lots of 22 year olds with multiple All-NBA teams (safe assumption he makes it this year) that I don't know about?


Tatum is 23 and overrated. I don't think he's among the top 25 players in the league. PER is 40th in the league. Not a smart player and questionable defense. He is young and may end up a superstar, but right now you can't win with him the best player on your team. 40 million a year for Tatum is a gross overpayment. 30 million for Jrue is better value IF the coach lets him lead the team and run the offense.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#227 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:23 pm

DingleJerry wrote:I'm just happy it's done now and not in the offseason which would've brought the 5th year into play, not ideal at his age imo.


Could you imagine if Giannis waited until the off season and Jrue as well? Be suicide watch around here.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#228 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:35 pm

Oh just read on WT that it is essentially a 4/140M and that he could have gotten 4/170M on the open market. This is looking better and better.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#229 » by skones » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:40 pm

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So you really are saying they should have just let him walk.



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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#230 » by mke_design » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:41 pm

emunney wrote:Are there lots of 22 year olds with multiple All-NBA teams (safe assumption he makes it this year) that I don't know about?


Tatum is fine. If we sweat people calling out Middleton's contract and point them to Tatum is kind of a wash. Tatum is just a younger version with higher upside so the deal isn't bad. I also don't think Midds is bad either and he would fetch a return if we had to.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#231 » by mke_design » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:42 pm

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So you really are saying they should have just let him walk.



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You're assuming playing hardball with Jrue was the correct choice after trashing our assets?
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#232 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:42 pm

M-C-G wrote:Oh just read on WT that it is essentially a 4/140M and that he could have gotten 4/170M on the open market. This is looking better and better.



I'm impressed that Horst held the line in negotiations (except the player option of course).
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Post#233 » by skones » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:43 pm

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You're assuming playing hardball with Jrue was the correct choice after trashing our assets?


You're not playing hardball in waiting to see how things play out. That's not what hardball is. If it didn't work out this year, I'd have been moving on from Jrue. I'd have been moving on from Middleton. I'd have been re-stocking the cupboard so we don't max out and then hit the decline before we even make it half way through the Giannis extension with depreciated assets.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#234 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:45 pm

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M-C-G wrote:Oh just read on WT that it is essentially a 4/140M and that he could have gotten 4/170M on the open market. This is looking better and better.



I'm impressed that Horst held the line in negotiations (except the player option of course).


I feel like Beal signing that 35M a year extension pretty much set the market for Jrue. I was prepared it would cost more, but think we got a bit of a deal on this one. At the minimum a deal that everyone can be happy with.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#235 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:47 pm

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M-C-G wrote:Oh just read on WT that it is essentially a 4/140M and that he could have gotten 4/170M on the open market. This is looking better and better.



I'm impressed that Horst held the line in negotiations (except the player option of course).


According to Hollinger, the Bucks extended to Jrue the absolute maximum offer they could for an extension. All his incentives from the prior deal carry over, since this is an extension.

Milwaukee is just $1.5 million from the tax line if he doesn’t make any of his incentives; Holiday gets $1.05 million if the Bucks win the title.

Additional bonuses for games (58 in this shortened season), minutes (1,822) and rebounds (which he will hit easily if he plays at least 59 games) would see him take home an addition $765,000 in bonuses, which would push the Bucks a few hundred thousand into the tax this year if they won it all.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#236 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 5, 2021 5:49 pm

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M-C-G wrote:Oh just read on WT that it is essentially a 4/140M and that he could have gotten 4/170M on the open market. This is looking better and better.



I'm impressed that Horst held the line in negotiations (except the player option of course).


According to Hollinger, the Bucks extended to Jrue the absolute maximum offer they could for an extension. All his incentives from the prior deal carry over, since this is an extension.

Milwaukee is just $1.5 million from the tax line if he doesn’t make any of his incentives; Holiday gets $1.05 million if the Bucks win the title.

Additional bonuses for games (58 in this shortened season), minutes (1,822) and rebounds (which he will hit easily if he plays at least 59 games) would see him take home an addition $765,000 in bonuses, which would push the Bucks a few hundred thousand into the tax this year if they won it all.


Well, a 5th year would be the absolute maximum. I could see the Spurs and Knicks both offering him a full 4/170M if he didn't extend with us.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#237 » by emunney » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:01 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
M-C-G wrote:Oh just read on WT that it is essentially a 4/140M and that he could have gotten 4/170M on the open market. This is looking better and better.



I'm impressed that Horst held the line in negotiations (except the player option of course).


According to Hollinger, the Bucks extended to Jrue the absolute maximum offer they could for an extension. All his incentives from the prior deal carry over, since this is an extension.

Milwaukee is just $1.5 million from the tax line if he doesn’t make any of his incentives; Holiday gets $1.05 million if the Bucks win the title.

Additional bonuses for games (58 in this shortened season), minutes (1,822) and rebounds (which he will hit easily if he plays at least 59 games) would see him take home an addition $765,000 in bonuses, which would push the Bucks a few hundred thousand into the tax this year if they won it all.


If we fill out the roster such that we're not in the tax *if we win it all* then I officially hate these owners.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#238 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:07 pm

crowhead76 wrote:Jrue's contract next year makes him the 30th highest paid player in the league, I do not think there is any doubt he is a top 30 player, I also don't think there is much doubt he could have made more if he became a free agent.

By year 3, another 10-15 guys will pass him on salary so you point remains but "no doubt he's a top 30 player". He hasnt been an all star in a decade when 25+ make it each year and has not made an all nba team even in his prime. It's very debatable if he's a top 30 player and he's not in my top 30.
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#239 » by H2tObes » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:12 pm

Jrue is closer to top 20 impact wise right now I'd say, people downplay his offense but he is 50/40/80 and getting better as the season goes on. Outside top 30 isn't justifiable with the season he is having
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Re: Jrue Agrees to 4/160 Extension 

Post#240 » by ABucksFan » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:30 pm

Good deal, Jrue reminds me of Lowry before he got over the hump. Always been a really good player. Before TOR won a chip you were hearing similar things about Lowry. We can win a chip with this core. Lets get the job done.

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