Ron Swanson wrote:He was considered a "playoff choker" because until his age-31 postseason (ironically how old Jrue is about to be), it was 100% true. I don't know how else to tell you that this "Kyle Lowry has always been elite!" thing is a myth. He wasn't exactly playing with bums when the Raptors were a Top-3 seed and he had just as much to do with getting swept in the playoffs in many of those years.
He had a rare career arc in that he didn't really peak as a basketball player until his early-30's, but even then, he never approached this all-time great "impact guy" level that people love to claim in hindsight (hell, Raptors have actually been worse with him on the floor vs. off in 3 of the last 4 seasons). Honestly don't know if I'd take "peak Lowry" over current Jrue, but to claim he was some tier or so above him? You're just flat out wrong on this one.
The only one even using the words "elite" and "all time impact" here is you. Nobody here is making that argument yet you feel like you need to build that straw man and argue against it anyway, and no, I'm not wrong, which is why I've laid out a pretty strong case here between the impact metrics and again, him being the best player on a pretty consistent 50+ win ball club during 6 out of 7 seasons. Your case which boils down to, "No he isn't!" it's pretty weak.
Anyway, here are some comments you've made on Jrue Holiday. Interesting how when he suddenly plays on your team, he becomes this "all time great player with elite impact" but Lowry is a CHOKER!!!! (See? I can build straw men too!) Like I said, you're the one here on the revisionist history soapbox.
Jrue Holiday consistently the most overrated player and trade asset in the league. Let someone else massively overpay for him (preferably an East rival).
Holiday is still a mediocre starting PG on an albatross contract, so no thanks. If the Pels are really gonna start selling the farm then E'Twaun Moore is the guy to look at. Don't think it would take more than Jason Smith + Thon.
Ron Swanson wrote:Gross. Jrue Holiday is on an albatross contract and he immediately hampers the ceiling of your team when he's taking up nearly 30% of your cap room. I want no part of this as a Bucks fan.
Ron Swanson wrote:Jrue Holiday a Top-15 player in the league? Lol, yeah, I'm out.