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Post#101 » by midranger » Wed Apr 7, 2021 10:40 am

DrWood wrote:based on the comments here, most of you missed the reason the bucks lost (other than Giannis sitting). Steph was being Steph and Jrue did nothing to slow him down.

I wonder what you guys would say if you were warrior fans. Most of their guys don't have a clue how to play NBA basketball (Steph, Dray, Bazemore, and maybe Looney excepted).

The warriors were spamming high pick and rolls with Curry all night and Brook was useless (as usual) in those situations. It’s why we were all screaming to get him out of the game.

Jrue not so much the issue. Lopez, big issue. Bud, huge issue for not identifying it. Put thanasis in there and let him show and recover in the 4th and we probably win by 15.
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Post#102 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:01 am

rilamann wrote:
th87 wrote:Refs in playoff form.

Team just isn't good enough to overcome NBA directives. Must accept.


Yup, even if the small market Bucks are good enough to beat a team like the Nets in a 7 game series, there isn't a chance in hell the league will allow it to happen. The narrative of a KD/Harden/Kyrie big market Brooklyn vs Lebron/AD and big market LA is way too good to let a team like the Bucks spoil, regardless if the Bucks are good enough to or not. Kinda like MVP Iverson and big market Philly vs Shaq/Kobe and big market LA. Different cast, but we've seen this movie before.

Holiday's offensive foul was just one of many calls in last night's game that tells you all you need to know if you're a youngster, or needed a refresher.


Yup, or Khris clearly getting fouled on the game winner, with Marc Davis looking right at it.
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Post#103 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:05 am

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rilamann wrote:And as much as I can't stand Forbes and the fact Bud refuses to keep him on the bench. If there was one situation where I'd say put Forbes in the game, it would be down 1 with 7 seconds left. Forbes was actually hitting his shots tonight too. Typical coach Bud though, he plays Forbes, but in the one situation where Forbes should be in the game, Bud leaves him on the bench.


Not a popular opinion, but some will get it ...
Forbes is a more willing shooter than Khris.
This dude is a pure shooter, he has better shot arc than Khris , mechanics and he splashes his shots (net only) when they go in. He is willingly, taking one dribble and shoots-makes shots. As Khris he can't attack the paint cause of pure handles and athleticism. I wish Khris could be as simple on his game as Forbes is. Jason Kidd baptised him as a Point Forward and he picked bad habits that carries throughout his whole career. Giannis has overvalued his own playmaking skills too.

So .... Bud at crunch time draws a pick n pop play 3p shot for Pat ... Jesus. Our out of bound plays are probably the dumbest in the whole league. Pat missed his shot cause it is really a difficult shot, he didn't have time to square up his feet and shoulders properly. Its a flawed X&O that really asks too much from the shooter. Bud asks from the shooter to rotate 180o catch and shoot in half a sec. I saw Pat not being able to square up his feet and I knew it was not going. I have seen alot of this flawed X&O play from Bud while asking from Khris the same thing at the left corner 3. We played 2 times that play with Khris and he missed cause it is a flawed X&O. I mean can all these 12 coaches draw an efing X&O where the shooter rotates only 45o to square up to the rim and shoot ?


I always think it's funny when fans think a play has only one option. There was literally 5 different options on that play, depending on how the defense reacts. Pat was simply the one that was open, and he was wide open.
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Post#104 » by Fotis St » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:22 am

Shooting J, it is not coincidence... fake back screen, pop out to the 3p line and catch n shoot is a really tough shot... the shooter has his back to the rim and has to turn around square his feet catch and shoot. We did the same twice on 2 other games with Khris at the left corner 3 trying to turn around and shoot. This is the toughest and dumbest way to set up a shooter. I haven't seen anyone working and practise that kind of 3pt drill ... wait wait... just remembered... ONLY RAY ALLEN after making that corner 3 that tied the Spurs has said on a documentary that he was drilling on his own this kind of shots , in case his team needs a buzzer beater 3. I am certain none of our players drills this every day in order to get reps. Anyway I know there are variations but ... why is Pat even on the play? Just draw a 2 man game with Khris and Jrew...
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Post#105 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:43 am

Fotis St wrote:Shooting J, it is not coincidence... fake back screen, pop out to the 3p line and catch n shoot is a really tough shot... the shooter has his back to the rim and has to turn around square his feet catch and shoot. We did the same twice on 2 other games with Khris at the left corner 3 trying to turn around and shoot. This is the toughest and dumbest way to set up a shooter. I haven't seen anyone working and practise that kind of 3pt drill ... wait wait... just remembered... ONLY RAY ALLEN after making that corner 3 that tied the Spurs has said on a documentary that he was drilling on his own this kind of shots , in case his team needs a buzzer beater 3. I am certain none of our players drills this every day in order to get reps. Anyway I know there are variations but ... why is Pat even on the play? Just draw a 2 man game with Khris and Jrew...


Pat has hit that exact 3 numerous times. Khris and Jrue both had had scoring options on the play too.

Just run a Khris/Jrue 2 man game? Guess what, defense is going to help. Who's left open? Maybe Pat.
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Post#106 » by Daver » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:49 am

Fotis St wrote:Fire Bud. Ham as Head Coach.
I don't want to see Lopez and Bud ever again
Khris you ****ng choker


Arnt you worried that ham will run the sane exact type of team D and team O that most of the board has been against.Hes been with bud since his hawk days if buds fired i want no part of anyone from his staff
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Post#107 » by Daver » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:52 am

Anyone even tempted to start teague at the PG spot n move jrue to the 2 have donte be that 6th man some of you want
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Post#108 » by BroncoBuck » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:58 am

Daver wrote:Anyone even tempted to start teague at the PG spot n move jrue to the 2 have donte be that 6th man some of you want


You’d need to sign another pg to lead the bench unit. We’ve seen how messy they are without any direction
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Post#109 » by Mihai » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:59 am

GoldenAntlers wrote:How do you all feel about Khris with the ball in his hands down the stretch in a game 7?


Absolutely not. Never trusted his handles, he's always so casual with the ball.
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Post#110 » by JayMKE » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:21 pm

Disappointing loss but Teague looks like a great pick up, wish PJ would start playing we’re gonna look really dumb if it’s another Gasol situation. Agree we needed to play Thanasis more, the guy brings so much energy when he comes into the game he doesn’t play like a guy who’s brother got him a job that’s for sure.

Brook really has to be more situational and match up dependent at this point of his career.

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Post#111 » by Matches Malone » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:35 pm

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Post#112 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:48 pm

Can't believe I stayed up till midnight to watch this garbage. Once again, Marc Davis can go **** himself, and once again, it shouldn't have mattered anyways when you're up 10 with 3 minutes left in the game. Middleton, Brook, Pat, Bud. No shortage of blame to go around for this one.
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Post#113 » by smauss » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:51 pm

My 2cents worth is more big picture. Brook can't guard PnR. He got absolutely eaten alive. Way to slow. If Bud would have played almost anyone else that can move their feet at the 5, it wouldn't have been a close game and we wouldn't have choked as badly as we did. Agreed, really liked Teague. Also Holiday and Donte are about as good as it gets in the league defensively, especially their hands. Thanasis has earned the minutes he plays. I love his physicality!

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Post#114 » by StickeeFingaz » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:53 pm

Yes, Middleton can create his own shot. But he doesn’t need and we shouldn’t allow him to take 10 dribbles to do it. Catch it, make your move, take the shot.
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Post#115 » by smauss » Wed Apr 7, 2021 12:59 pm

StickeeFingaz wrote:Yes, Middleton can create his own shot. But he doesn’t need and we shouldn’t allow him to take 10 dribbles to do it. Catch it, make you’re move, take the shot.
agreed, been saying it for years. Jrue needs to run the offense period! It's a thing of beauty to watch Midds get the ball, make a quick move and shoot. It's a nightmare to watch him dribble trying to initiate the offense.

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Post#116 » by chonestown » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:05 pm

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Post#117 » by ABucksFan » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:19 pm

Getting nightmares of BKN PnR against Brook in the playoffs. KD, Kyrie, Harden they are all cooking Brook.
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Post#118 » by emunney » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:23 pm

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Plenty of blame to go around but this was **** ridiculous.
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Post#119 » by jschligs » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:23 pm

It sucks to lose but I hope to god that we learn from this collapse. Bud probably won't, but this is what we watch during the playoffs so we can hopefully do better. Khris has thrown that weak ass lob too many times late (see Boston), Bud needs to identify exploited players, refs need to suck a ****.
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Post#120 » by Daver » Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:24 pm

I know brook gets alot of hate on this board as does midds and for some reasons i agree with BUT and i know advanced metrics will come my way with this comment but not alot of disappointment and anger for bad performance gets directed at DDV is it a safe comment to say we should expect more than 6 points in 30 mins this time of year.You would like to expect more consistentcy from him as we close out the regular season and get ready for the playoffs yes than 6 points

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