Grayson Allen to Bucks

LUKE23 · Post #801 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:21 pm

Partnow has Middleton in the 15-19 ranked players tier for 2021-22. He's literally probably the best #2 option in basketball sans Anthony Davis/James Harden/Paul George.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #802 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:43 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Partnow has Middleton in the 15-19 ranked players tier for 2021-22. He's literally probably the best #2 option in basketball sans Anthony Davis/James Harden/Paul George.

He has earned it. There were definitely questions about him. There was always hope that he would do what he did this postseason. However, he disappeared for us against the Raptors and garnered (I think fairly) haters for his playoff performance. This season he took the step forward. He has taken better care of himself. He has fewer and fewer nights where he looks gassed defensively. His handle and playmaking continue to get better (he is still prone to some awful turnovers overestimating his handle and gets a little casual with his passing). He deserves the pop he is getting. I was a hater, but he showed up. The best line of thinking from haters was "why can't he do it every night?" Why were we getting great games from Giannis and not getting consistent output from the other players. He did it, and he deserves the love he is getting -- that is from someone who was a card carrying Khris hater.

Grayson Allen? Man, this is a great addition. Gritty defensively. Looks much less overtly dirty in the pros. He has the classic Duke punchable guard face, but he has absurd stroke. He has good length for a guard defensively. I think that he fits cleanly in a small ball 5 man that can expose teams like the Jazz that want to live in drop coverage.

Isocleas2 · Post #803 » by **Isocleas2** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:45 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Partnow has Middleton in the 15-19 ranked players tier for 2021-22. He's literally probably the best #2 option in basketball sans Anthony Davis/James Harden/Paul George.

I like Middleton and I defended his contract blah blah blah, but his value has never been higher. If I was a shrewd gm I'd secretly shop him and try to get in on the incoming Lillard trade.

It'll never happen because we just won a ship and he's Giannis's brosephine but it would be a move that could set the team up for alot of championship runs.

LUKE23 · Post #804 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:54 pm

Isocleas2 wrote:
It'll never happen because we just won a ship and he's Giannis's brosephine but it would be a move that could set the team up for alot of championship runs.

If you are the Blazers trading Lillard, you are rebuilding, not trading for a max contract 30 year old. We also don't have any legitimate great draft assets to add to sweeten that type of package.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #805 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:57 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
Isocleas2 wrote:
It'll never happen because we just won a ship and he's Giannis's brosephine but it would be a move that could set the team up for alot of championship runs.

If you are the Blazers trading Lillard, you are rebuilding, not trading for a max contract 30 year old. We also don't have any legitimate great draft assets to add to sweeten that type of package.

Yep, makes no sense to trade for a super rich man's CJ McCollum to pair with CJ McCollum. I think the only trades that the Blazers listen to are Jrue + Khris or include Giannis. We don't make sense as a team trading with the Blazers after we proved we could win a championship with Jrue and Khris.

WRau1 · Post #806 » by **WRau1** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:59 pm

There isn't a realistic offer out there where trading Middleton makes us better.

Fotis St · Post #807 » by **Fotis St** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:28 pm

Someone posted that Grayson Allen shot well at the playoffs .... well not true ...

In 5 Games 23.1 min Per Game , averaging 6.4 points , 2.4 Rebounds , FG% 36.4, 3P% 38.1 (8 made 3s in 21 attempts) and the total assists in 116 min ... 1 .

Secondly Donte has been pretty bad come playoffs too. This year against Miami in 3 Games he averaged 23.3 min averaging 2.7 points, 6.3 rebounds (which is really good) and 2.7 assists ,
FG% 18.8 , 3P% 16.7 (2 Made 3s in 12 3P attempts) .... his overall Playoff performances in 3 years has been ... 13 Games, 18.1min, FG% 38.8 (26/67) , 3P% 27.3 (9/33) ...

These 2 players are projected to be our SGs moving forward. I don't hate them, I just don't trust them. They have potential though to be successful but I have to see it first. I am really excited to see them how they operate and luckily stay healthy and perform at the playoffs better than their last playoff runs.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allengr01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html

crowhead76 · Post #808 » by **crowhead76** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:41 pm

Fotis St wrote:Someone posted that Grayson Allen shot well at the playoffs .... well not true ...

In 5 Games 23.1 min Per Game , averaging 6.4 points , 2.4 Rebounds , FG% 36.4, 3P% 38.1 (8 made 3s in 21 attempts) and the total assists in 116 min ... 1 .

Secondly Donte has been pretty bad come playoffs too. This year against Miami in 3 Games he averaged 23.3 min averaging 2.7 points, 6.3 rebounds (which is really good) and 2.7 assists ,
FG% 18.8 , 3P% 16.7 (2 Made 3s in 12 3P attempts) .... his overall Playoff performances in 3 years has been ... 13 Games, 18.1min, FG% 38.8 (26/67) , 3P% 27.3 (9/33) ...

These 2 players are projected to be our SGs moving forward. I don't hate them, I just don't trust them. They have potential though to be successful but I have to see it first. I am really excited to see them how they operate and luckily stay healthy and perform at the playoffs better than their last playoff runs.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allengr01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html

Just yesterday you were attacking people using the stat sheet in their Tucker takes, now today you are using stat sheets?

DingleJerry · Post #809 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:44 pm

5 game samples, nice!! Aaaand, even still I see 38% from 3 there.

CharityStripe34 · Post #810 » by **CharityStripe34** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:47 pm

38% in the playoffs is perfectly fine. Collectively as a team the Bucks could hardly hit something like 32%. Can he hit timely, end of quarter shots is the more pertinent question.

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Fotis St · Post #811 » by **Fotis St** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:59 pm

I hope we sign a Forbes like player.
At least we have Pat, his 3p% was 44.1 at 2021 playoffs.
Is JJ Reddick still available ?
Mike James or Isaiah Thomas maybe ?
Horst , pickup the phone, add a shooter just in case we start bricking ...

Perishable517 · Post #812 » by **Perishable517** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:32 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:That lineup with Khris at the 4 would be something I’d only use against certain matchups, personally. Mainly out of interest and potential offensive firepower without giving up a ton on perimeter defense. Rebounding would certainly be an issue, since teams would purposely screen to get Gianni out of the paint.

Anytime Brook is out of the lineup, rebounding takes a hit. A 285lb huge body boxing out has been one of the underrated reasons the Bucks have rebounded well over the past few years.

Perishable517 · Post #813 » by **Perishable517** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:37 pm

WRau1 wrote:There isn't a realistic offer out there where trading Middleton makes us better.

Nope, there is not.

FrieAaron · Post #814 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:39 pm

Perishable517 wrote:Anytime Brook is out of the lineup, rebounding takes a hit. A 285lb huge body boxing out has been one of the underrated reasons the Bucks have rebounded well over the past few years.

What's funny is that when we first acquired him everyone recognized that. His personal rebounding numbers have always been unremarkable but his teams rebounding numbers are always improved when he joins.

LikeABosh · Post #815 » by **LikeABosh** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:42 pm

DrWood wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Khris is on the wrong side of the 30s .

He's literally on neither side of 30, having turned 30 6 days ago.

I don't think he understands that expression

Fotis St · Post #816 » by **Fotis St** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:10 pm

LikeABosh wrote:
DrWood wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Khris is on the wrong side of the 30s .

He's literally on neither side of 30, having turned 30 6 days ago.

I don't think he understands that expression

He is 30+ , so he is on the wrong side.
We won the chip, but I am not being delusional that suddenly Khris has super powers he doesn't have. So my mindset is to keep the scheme that brought us the ring, and that scheme doesn't include a lineup with Khris at the PF and 2 other 6'5 dudes in the same lineup like Donte and Allen...

emunney · Post #817 » by **emunney** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:31 pm

WRau1 wrote:There isn't a realistic offer out there where trading Middleton makes us better.

It'd have to very obviously make us a lot better for me to even consider it when factoring in the human element. Like DeRozan for Kawhi-ish.

FrieAaron · Post #818 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:44 pm

Not agreeing with him, but Fotis is correct on the use of the phrase "wrong side of 30" here. It simply means someone's past that age.

emunney · Post #819 » by **emunney** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:54 pm

FrieAaron wrote:Not agreeing with him, but Fotis is correct on the use of the phrase "wrong side of 30" here. It simply means someone's past that age.

Iiiiiii don't think I've ever heard it used earnestly for someone who just turned 30 though. It's technically correct but substantively bankrupt.

DrWood · Post #820 » by **DrWood** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:57 pm

Fotis St wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:
DrWood wrote:He's literally on neither side of 30, having turned 30 6 days ago.

I don't think he understands that expression

He is 30+ , so he is on the wrong side.
We won the chip, but I am not being delusional that suddenly Khris has super powers he doesn't have. So my mindset is to keep the scheme that brought us the ring, and that scheme doesn't include a lineup with Khris at the PF and 2 other 6'5 dudes in the same lineup like Donte and Allen...

you do know that the "scheme that brought us the ring" was an emergency solution based on who was healthy, right? You're just continuing to deny things based on your hatred of one of our players. And you're continuing to attempt to change the context of the entire argument from "something that could be tried for parts of a game" to "something that will be used for 48 minutes." Give it up. Let the season play out and see which lineups work well.