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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#41 » by VooDoo7 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:12 am

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VooDoo7 wrote:Good, solid win. But even I was surprised as the crowd sat in a dazed silence on Middleton's and Giannis' buzzer-beaters to end the 1st and 3rd quarters. :roll:

*insert beating a dead horse GIF here* :roll:


Like the same, ongoing complaining of everything else here? Or people whining about my opinion of the crowd?

And you could've actually added the horse GIF. Lazy just like the Fiserv crowd. :D
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#42 » by old skool » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:13 am

greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis + Khris + Jrue at 11-0 now.


11? Actually Giannis, Khris & Jrue have won 15 straight games when playing together.

The last game they lost when playing together was July 8.
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#43 » by skones » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:07 am

Not a great showing by Boogie, first game you could see that he's behind the 8 ball in our scheme. He's playing home, just has to anticipate those vertical lobs.

Where the panace crowd at? 16-9 while trotting out straight ass lineups for half the year. Really fun to see Hill and Wes back like, "you deserve one too, so lets repeat."
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#44 » by DrWood » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:19 am

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blazza18 wrote:Cavs on a b2b competed well but don't think we were ever not in control of the game. Sloppy at times but closed it out well enough. Do think Cleveland will be a problem very soon

Cleveland was only down 1 with 9 minutes to play. They were only down 2, with the ball, with 6:15 to play. That doesn't seem like the Bucks were in control.
The Bucks weren't taking this game seriously. Four end of bench players (Cousins, Hood, Mathews, Smart) logged over 80 minutes. In the 4th quarter, Budenholzer turned the game over to his stars. Giannis, Middleton and Holiday scored pretty much at will in the 4th, scoring all 24 Bucks points on 9 of 14 shooting.

Yes, Cleveland could have won with a string of made 3 pointers. That seemed to be a risk the Bucks were willing to take. Kind of the cost of attempting to repeat.

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Cousins is certainly not "end of bench." Hood and Mathews might be 9th and 10th guys.
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#45 » by drone3 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:37 am

Hood is basically Snell without a shot
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#46 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:25 am

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old skool wrote:
DrWood wrote:Cleveland was only down 1 with 9 minutes to play. They were only down 2, with the ball, with 6:15 to play. That doesn't seem like the Bucks were in control.
The Bucks weren't taking this game seriously. Four end of bench players (Cousins, Hood, Mathews, Smart) logged over 80 minutes. In the 4th quarter, Budenholzer turned the game over to his stars. Giannis, Middleton and Holiday scored pretty much at will in the 4th, scoring all 24 Bucks points on 9 of 14 shooting.

Yes, Cleveland could have won with a string of made 3 pointers. That seemed to be a risk the Bucks were willing to take. Kind of the cost of attempting to repeat.

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Cousins is certainly not "end of bench." Hood and Mathews might be 9th and 10th guys.


Cousins struggled to the point that Buds pulled him in the 3rd quarter and went with a Giannis at center lineup. He played just 1 minute in the 4th and was pulled again. This was a game where his size was needed, but he couldn't keep up.
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#47 » by Ayt » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:46 am

old skool wrote:
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blazza18 wrote:Cavs on a b2b competed well but don't think we were ever not in control of the game. Sloppy at times but closed it out well enough. Do think Cleveland will be a problem very soon

Cleveland was only down 1 with 9 minutes to play. They were only down 2, with the ball, with 6:15 to play. That doesn't seem like the Bucks were in control.
The Bucks weren't taking this game seriously. Four end of bench players (Cousins, Hood, Mathews, Smart) logged over 80 minutes. In the 4th quarter, Budenholzer turned the game over to his stars. Giannis, Middleton and Holiday scored pretty much at will in the 4th, scoring all 24 Bucks points on 9 of 14 shooting.

Yes, Cleveland could have won with a string of made 3 pointers. That seemed to be a risk the Bucks were willing to take. Kind of the cost of attempting to repeat.

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Khris played 36 minutes and Jrue played 37. Cousins, Hood, Matthews, and Smart played 56 minutes, not over 80, and I wouldn't call them all "end of the bench players" at this point.
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Post#48 » by LuessiT » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:14 am

drone3 wrote:Hood is basically Snell without a shot


Snell was more useful. Hood is far more skilled in some areas but he still doesn't meet the threshold for these to make efficient use in an NBA game.
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Post#49 » by DutchManDanFan » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:06 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Cousins struggled to the point that Buds pulled him in the 3rd quarter and went with a Giannis at center lineup. He played just 1 minute in the 4th and was pulled again. This was a game where his size was needed, but he couldn't keep up.

First game he was 13 of 15 minutes on the court with Giannis. This game only 2 of 18 minutes.
In the 4th he came in with the score 96-98 and when he was pulled it was 96-103.

I want to see him in the Brook roll, playing with Giannis most of the time. Or without Giannis, but against tall scrubs. Neither was the case yesterday. Don't search for nails in low water (Dutch saying... :wink: ).
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Post#50 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:14 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:Cousins struggled to the point that Buds pulled him in the 3rd quarter and went with a Giannis at center lineup. He played just 1 minute in the 4th and was pulled again. This was a game where his size was needed, but he couldn't keep up.

First game he was 13 of 15 minutes on the court with Giannis. This game only 2 of 18 minutes.
In the 4th he came in with the score 96-98 and when he was pulled it was 96-103.

I want to see him in the Brook roll, playing with Giannis most of the time. Or without Giannis, but against tall scrubs. Neither was the case yesterday. Don't search for nails in low water (Dutch saying... :wink: ).


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Post#51 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:27 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Cousins struggled to the point that Buds pulled him in the 3rd quarter and went with a Giannis at center lineup. He played just 1 minute in the 4th and was pulled again. This was a game where his size was needed, but he couldn't keep up.

First game he was 13 of 15 minutes on the court with Giannis. This game only 2 of 18 minutes.
In the 4th he came in with the score 96-98 and when he was pulled it was 96-103.

I want to see him in the Brook roll, playing with Giannis most of the time. Or without Giannis, but against tall scrubs. Neither was the case yesterday. Don't search for nails in low water (Dutch saying... :wink: ).

"Being pulled for struggling" in third is also just such a straight up made up narrative. Literally played his longest stretch as a Buck while our best player sat the entire time and came out with two other dudes after the perimeter defense broke down and gave up three straight threes. Obviously it wasn't a great game for him but you really ain't gotta embellish it to try to paint that picture. Just point out how he got burnt in the first quarter and move on.
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Re: PG: Bucks Outlast Cavs 

Post#52 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:39 pm

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old skool wrote:
DrWood wrote:Cleveland was only down 1 with 9 minutes to play. They were only down 2, with the ball, with 6:15 to play. That doesn't seem like the Bucks were in control.
The Bucks weren't taking this game seriously. Four end of bench players (Cousins, Hood, Mathews, Smart) logged over 80 minutes. In the 4th quarter, Budenholzer turned the game over to his stars. Giannis, Middleton and Holiday scored pretty much at will in the 4th, scoring all 24 Bucks points on 9 of 14 shooting.

Yes, Cleveland could have won with a string of made 3 pointers. That seemed to be a risk the Bucks were willing to take. Kind of the cost of attempting to repeat.

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Cousins is certainly not "end of bench." Hood and Mathews might be 9th and 10th guys.


cousins is on a nongauranteed deal and right now this minute has one foot out of the league. what do you mean cousins isnt end of the bench?

hood and matthews may be better than end of the bench guys at some point this season but wes at least up until recently couldnt even find a bench.

weird points to argue with old skool. we toyed with the cavs last night. never felt concerned the game wasnt ours as i watched however
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Post#53 » by jschligs » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:44 pm

I thought Cousins was pretty average. A few nice, aggressive takes to the hoop, a few boneheaded misreads on where he was supposed to be offensively, his regular fouls, his slow defense, and his shot wasn't falling from deep. That's about all I expected.
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Post#54 » by TroyD92 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:48 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
DrWood wrote:
old skool wrote:The Bucks weren't taking this game seriously. Four end of bench players (Cousins, Hood, Mathews, Smart) logged over 80 minutes. In the 4th quarter, Budenholzer turned the game over to his stars. Giannis, Middleton and Holiday scored pretty much at will in the 4th, scoring all 24 Bucks points on 9 of 14 shooting.

Yes, Cleveland could have won with a string of made 3 pointers. That seemed to be a risk the Bucks were willing to take. Kind of the cost of attempting to repeat.

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Cousins is certainly not "end of bench." Hood and Mathews might be 9th and 10th guys.


cousins is on a nongauranteed deal and right now this minute has one foot out of the league. what do you mean cousins isnt end of the bench?

hood and matthews may be better than end of the bench guys at some point this season but wes at least up until recently couldnt even find a bench.

weird points to argue with old skool. we toyed with the cavs last night. never felt concerned the game wasnt ours as i watched however


Cousins is the primary backup big. He's not an end of the bench player at all.
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Post#55 » by leroyjw10 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:02 pm

drone3 wrote:Hood is basically Snell without a shot


This is pretty spot on. Dude is just taking up space. And while Wes is still feisty on defense, he looks awful on offense so far, which has been the case for three years running now.

Can't wait for Donte to get back so Hood and Wes can ride the pine.
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Post#56 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:13 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
DrWood wrote:Cousins is certainly not "end of bench." Hood and Mathews might be 9th and 10th guys.


cousins is on a nongauranteed deal and right now this minute has one foot out of the league. what do you mean cousins isnt end of the bench?

hood and matthews may be better than end of the bench guys at some point this season but wes at least up until recently couldnt even find a bench.

weird points to argue with old skool. we toyed with the cavs last night. never felt concerned the game wasnt ours as i watched however


Cousins is the primary backup big. He's not an end of the bench player at all.


i understand why the board is really excited to have cousins but it remains to be seen if hes still an nba basketball player

personally i feel hes too immobile to play effectively. defensively and in space its been hard to keep my eyes on him. god forbid a pass is a foot to the right or left he wont make it there.

he has been a nice finisher when he gets a running start against other backups and hes been quick to pass...... but that doesnt make him anything. hes on a non gauranteed contract and is thankful to have this one last oppurtunity with us. as fans we shouldnt get it wrong what is going on. its still a tryout happening out there
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Post#57 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:25 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
DrWood wrote:
old skool wrote:The Bucks weren't taking this game seriously. Four end of bench players (Cousins, Hood, Mathews, Smart) logged over 80 minutes. In the 4th quarter, Budenholzer turned the game over to his stars. Giannis, Middleton and Holiday scored pretty much at will in the 4th, scoring all 24 Bucks points on 9 of 14 shooting.

Yes, Cleveland could have won with a string of made 3 pointers. That seemed to be a risk the Bucks were willing to take. Kind of the cost of attempting to repeat.

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Cousins is certainly not "end of bench." Hood and Mathews might be 9th and 10th guys.


Cousins struggled to the point that Buds pulled him in the 3rd quarter and went with a Giannis at center lineup. He played just 1 minute in the 4th and was pulled again. This was a game where his size was needed, but he couldn't keep up.

No idea if caught on TV, but at one point Bud was screaming across court to cousins to move to a different spot. Didn't seem overly pissed but you can tell Cousins gets lost sometimes. Fine now, but if this was a playoff game I would see us going small with someone he trusts versus playing cousins.
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Post#58 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:28 pm

Ayt wrote:
Khris played 36 minutes and Jrue played 37. Cousins, Hood, Matthews, and Smart played 56 minutes, not over 80, and I wouldn't call them all "end of the bench players" at this point.

When healthy those 4 are probably spots 10-13. Might not be end of bench but probably not playing in a playoff game.
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Post#59 » by emunney » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:39 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
cousins is on a nongauranteed deal and right now this minute has one foot out of the league. what do you mean cousins isnt end of the bench?

hood and matthews may be better than end of the bench guys at some point this season but wes at least up until recently couldnt even find a bench.

weird points to argue with old skool. we toyed with the cavs last night. never felt concerned the game wasnt ours as i watched however


Cousins is the primary backup big. He's not an end of the bench player at all.


i understand why the board is really excited to have cousins but it remains to be seen if hes still an nba basketball player

personally i feel hes too immobile to play effectively. defensively and in space its been hard to keep my eyes on him. god forbid a pass is a foot to the right or left he wont make it there.

he has been a nice finisher when he gets a running start against other backups and hes been quick to pass...... but that doesnt make him anything. hes on a non gauranteed contract and is thankful to have this one last oppurtunity with us. as fans we shouldnt get it wrong what is going on. its still a tryout happening out there


The thing about Cousins is we really need him right now, he's got to be out there, so in this context, it's not accurate to cite his playing as evidence we didn't take this game seriously. He's not an end of the bench player right now. He's in the normal rotation unless/until we find someone better.

I think he's played well overall although he's totally ground bound and hasn't really made the appropriate adjustments yet. He's still playing as if he's going to contest vertically, and he needs to be focused on study and beating the offense to spots. We're not really going to find out if he's up to that task unless he's still playing for us come playoffs since there isn't much detail in the advance scouting players get during the regular season.
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Post#60 » by raferfenix » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:41 pm

I'm hopeful the Boogie snags are solveable as he gets into better shape and learns our system.

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