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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#381 » by FrieAaron » Tue May 10, 2022 8:13 pm

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greekbuck34 wrote:We just needed 1 great quarter from someone last night and we got nothing.


Giannis had 6 points on 7 shots in the fourth quarter, and Jrue had 1 point on 5 shots. That's poor efficiency on half of our shots. The others had 21 points on 11 shots. Lopez went 4/5 and had 10 points. Nobody else that played got more than 2 shots. And in this one, that basically tracks for the entire game. Who exactly had the opportunity for a great quarter?


Since Bobby did not play at all it has to be Jrue.
Jrue missed all 5 of his shots in the 4th. He makes 3 of those and we probably hold out to win the game just like in the last one despite Holford not missing any shots or Tatum and Smart making tough contested lay ups.
It's a miracle Giannis scored 6 more points in the 4th considering he could barely walk up the court at times.


Jrue obviously gets blame but you can't just let Giannis off the hook because he had a great 3rd quarter. He scored 6 points on 7 shots. Whatever the reason, if he's not able to be efficient offensively he needs to be moving the ball as well or learn to pace himself better. Again, their teammates scored 21 points on 11 shots. At least offensively, they don't get any blame for the fourth quarter unless it's for not moving off the ball well enough. We had a 7 point lead, all we had to do was play even or even a little worse than even.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#382 » by ReasonablySober » Tue May 10, 2022 8:55 pm

Say what you want about SVG but he was 100% right with regards to the Bucks giving away possessions with those terrible Giannis three pointers. It's one thing in the regular season, but it's another when you're playing an even team and every possession counts.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#383 » by FrieAaron » Tue May 10, 2022 8:57 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Say what you want about SVG but he was 100% right with regards to the Bucks giving away possessions with those terrible Giannis three pointers. It's one thing in the regular season, but it's another when you're playing an even team and every possession counts.


He was also 100% right when he said he understands why Bud lets him. You give Giannis a long leash, but those 3 attempts (one was at the buzzer) are not valuing possessions. And I posted this in a previous game thread, but they ALWAYS seems to come early in the shot clock with no movement. They're just momentum killers 75% of the time and I'm sure as deflating to his teammates as it is to us.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#384 » by emunney » Tue May 10, 2022 8:58 pm

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BUCKnation wrote:Jrue is getting a lot of stick here, some deserved. I thought he too frequently went iso ball, just looking for his own shot, rather than moving the ball, even a little bit (Giannis too). To that end though, I thought most of his shots were good looks. That missed shot, under the basket late, summed up his game well. As many have mentioned, this team doesn't value possessions, both he and Giannis waste too many with early shot clock looks (Giannis particularly so). I think this is why this team has an inability to expand their leads past 10. Seems like we get comfortable, lose a bit of focus or relax, run a stupid set and don't score and eventually on the other end give up a couple of easy buckets. I'd be curious to see what the non-transition FG% or PPP is on sets with one pass or less.

Last game toward the end, we at least spammed the Giannis/Jrue PnR.

Very frustrating game, I was legit upset about that, which is more rare now. It's like they learned nothing from the last game after quickly blowing their 3rd qtr lead. It was legitimately deja vu, but they made everything instead of going on a long drought.

Did Horford have a kid? Annoying he has decided to play like this after looking washed the last 3 years. Even if they are open, you expect him to miss a couple at least.


What's frustrating is leaving guys like Horford open. He's in a groove and the Bucks knew it going into the game.

What's also frustrating is that I picked the Celtics in 6 without Khris, but the game was so winnable, except for coaching blunders. I don't blame Bud for the offense, as they scored 108 without KM. But I blame him to a large extent for the defensive meltdown in the fourth quarter.


This is the 2nd consecutive game where everybody, but particularly Giannis, has looked absolutely gassed by the end of the 3rd quarter. Bud's got to realize that Giannis is going to be on the court if you leave it up to him and take control of managing his fatigue from him. Giannis is anchoring our defense, pushing in transition, and going one on one over and over again. Whatever needs to be done to keep his energy up for the minutes he's on the court, we've got to do it. Either sit him more or try some Grayson/Lopez pick and rolls, something. There are no good options but there are potentially ok options.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#385 » by ampd » Tue May 10, 2022 8:58 pm

The thing that rankles me the most about the Jrue iso ball is it was also a big factor in the Celtics comeback in game 3 as well, only in that one it didn't end up costing us the game. It shouldn't take actually losing the game for our staff to identify problem areas and make adjustments, or at least call a time out in the game while it's happening before the whole lead is gone and you're on your heels.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#386 » by emunney » Tue May 10, 2022 9:00 pm

Jrue is getting great looks and flat out needs to make more of them, whether it's wide open c&S 3s or clean 12-15 foot pullups. 5-22 can't happen.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#387 » by Wooderson » Tue May 10, 2022 9:22 pm

emunney wrote:Jrue is getting great looks and flat out needs to make more of them, whether it's wide open c&S 3s or clean 12-15 foot pullups. 5-22 can't happen.


Yep - here's every Jrue miss. He's just flat out missing open looks he was hitting all regular season, same as last year. Some of the forced ones in the paint are understandable, but there are open bunnies too. We didn't even need him to be regular season level from outside, just anywhere in between fully reliable and frozen cold. Like you said, it's catch and shoot too.

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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#388 » by PG Graveyard » Wed May 11, 2022 12:55 am

I didn’t hate a lot of Jrues looks last night. He’s made those all year.

If he just shoots bad last night like 9-22 we win.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#389 » by slappyg » Wed May 11, 2022 1:04 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Jrue's decision-making was fine (9 assists to only 2 TO's). They're just asking him to do too much right now, and you can tell he's got tired legs on offense with his jump shot being M.I.A. I think a lot of the criticism for those horrid shooting stretches last playoffs was deserved (I was certainly one of them), but I really can't be too hard on him here.

It's all about the role guys (Brook, Wes, Grayson, Hill, Bobby). Outside of Pat, they've all been next to invisible on offense for the majority of this series, and that's not gonna cut it. The shot quality charts perfectly illustrate that we're getting good looks and the overall game-plan isn't the problem. Just **** execute.


But, it's hard for them to step up if Jrue won't pass them the ball.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#390 » by theFireBlanket » Wed May 11, 2022 2:14 am

ampd wrote:The thing that rankles me the most about the Jrue iso ball is it was also a big factor in the Celtics comeback in game 3 as well, only in that one it didn't end up costing us the game. It shouldn't take actually losing the game for our staff to identify problem areas and make adjustments, or at least call a time out in the game while it's happening before the whole lead is gone and you're on your heels.


Loss in game 2 as well, featured this in going down 20. Hope Wes is one of the vocal guys, i think he gets it based on comments about game 3 mirroring game 4.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#391 » by theFireBlanket » Wed May 11, 2022 2:17 am

emunney wrote:Jrue is getting great looks and flat out needs to make more of them, whether it's wide open c&S 3s or clean 12-15 foot pullups. 5-22 can't happen.

By that token 11-30 can't happen either but gets hidden behind nearly not a W. and first duo since Scottie & MJ to take 30 shots a piece while scoring X.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#392 » by Pachinko_ » Wed May 11, 2022 2:19 am

I was watching some Jokic and Doncic highlights and I literally got depressed. Those two guys have a hundred different ways to score in the paint without even jumping, and Giannis doesn't even have a simple floater. It's either score from zero distance or bust with him. How is it possible with all that work he's put in all those years?
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Post#393 » by th87 » Wed May 11, 2022 3:38 am

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emunney wrote:Jrue is getting great looks and flat out needs to make more of them, whether it's wide open c&S 3s or clean 12-15 foot pullups. 5-22 can't happen.


Yep - here's every Jrue miss. He's just flat out missing open looks he was hitting all regular season, same as last year. Some of the forced ones in the paint are understandable, but there are open bunnies too. We didn't even need him to be regular season level from outside, just anywhere in between fully reliable and frozen cold. Like you said, it's catch and shoot too.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=34&GameID=0042100214&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Holiday%202%27%20Cutting%20Layup%20Shot&sct=plot

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He's expending a lot more energy on defense, so he won't have the same offensive efficiency.

Team needs to account for this and get shots from elsewhere.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#394 » by nagawicka » Wed May 11, 2022 6:37 am

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greekbuck34 wrote:Btw guys while Durant was getting locked up by Tatum the other Nets role players were shooting 50/40/90 around him.

Seth Curry wasn't missing any 3s.
Brown was hitting the corner 3s they were giving him.
Dragic was hitting 3s and making plays.
Mills was hitting all his 3s.
Kyrie almost soloed them for 1 game in place of the superstar.

We are lucky if Giannis teammates shoot 35/25/75 in a night.

We CAN'T hit 3s to create some space for Giannis for 3 games in a row...
2 home games in a row and we didn't manage to hit more than 9 3s.


Yep our jumpshooting just continues to be awful. By the way Dragic would look really nice right now.

He wouldn't see the floor. We went out and got several guys who can control the ball and run plays. Instead, it's Point Giannis, the most hapless idea in the world, everyone's exhausted by G4Rd2, and it's not really basketballing. Why watch.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#395 » by Fotis St » Wed May 11, 2022 10:12 am

We can still win in 6 if everyone just play their average. Even average Bud can get his head out of his own *** . Average Jrue is not worse than Pat Beverley. Someone needs to reset their brain and execute our habits.
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Re: PG: 2-2 

Post#396 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed May 11, 2022 1:13 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:I was watching some Jokic and Doncic highlights and I literally got depressed. Those two guys have a hundred different ways to score in the paint without even jumping, and Giannis doesn't even have a simple floater. It's either score from zero distance or bust with him. How is it possible with all that work he's put in all those years?


Lets not do this.

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