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Where does New Orleans even go from here?

Relying on Zion to be healthy enough to be your top guy just doesn’t seem like it’ll work.

But does that mean there is a middle ground where they keep Ingram? Or do they just cut the cord and bail for whatever they can and get a better draft pick this year….or is Ingram’s value so low they just keep the ending contract?

Keeping an eye out if Herb Jones becomes expendable as well. He’s been hurt but it makes no sense to have him play center either way.

New Orleans Pelicans star Zion Williamson has undergone multiple treatments on his left hamstring and is not close to a return to action, sources told ESPN on Friday.

Williamson, who has been sidelined since suffering a hamstring strain on Nov. 6, will be out for an extended period of time longer, sources said. The Pelicans have been bracing for Williamson to be sidelined for at least four to six weeks, which places him out through mid-December, but his absence could extend beyond that as he rehabilitates a body part that has sustained multiple strains over the past few years.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42549137/zion-williamson-hamstring-not-close-returning

Herb would be a dream. He’d give us more defensive versatility than we’ve had on the perimeter over the past 6 years.

He could capably swap with Middleton to help us hide him some on weaker matchups, by playing the 4 or 3, but if we also wanted him at POA guarding the likes of SGA, he would do that well.

The thing I really like about Herb though is that he’s not complete ass on the offensive end, and it’s not just about his decent shooting splits, he’s a solid ball mover.

With Melton out for the year, with a $12.8 million expiring deal, and the Warriors in need of a big, and being longtime admirers of Bobby, I think this deal get done. Who's the 3rd team that takes Melton and the pick(s)? Who's our target?

I still love Bantan for us, and we can get more in that deal. Bantan as the backup 4, Giannis as the backup 5. Paul Reed as the emergency 3rd center?

German Athens wrote:Herb would be a dream. He’d give us more defensive versatility than we’ve had on the perimeter over the past 6 years.

He could capably swap with Middleton to help us hide him some on weaker matchups, by playing the 4 or 3, but if we also wanted him at POA guarding the likes of SGA, he would do that well.

The thing I really like about Herb though is that he’s not complete ass on the offensive end, and it’s not just about his decent shooting splits, he’s a solid ball mover.

I love Herb too, but I think I might be more inclined to let Ajax develop into Herb. Also, Herb had never shown an interest in rebounding, despite NOPs need for it. Ajax provides more there, and we need it too.

ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis's three point FGA through 14 games by season:

2025: .8
24: 2.1
23: 3.1
22: 4.6
21: 4.9
20: 4.4
19: 2.3
18: 1.8
17: 2.2
16: 1.8
15: .6
14: 1.2

I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Bernman wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis's three point FGA through 14 games by season:

2025: .8
24: 2.1
23: 3.1
22: 4.6
21: 4.9
20: 4.4
19: 2.3
18: 1.8
17: 2.2
16: 1.8
15: .6
14: 1.2

I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Doc did something no other coach has been able to or has had the balls to do.

a couple things i noticed from the Pacers game that will be important for us:

AJ Green: On a few occasions, he attacked a closeout with a pump fake, a few dribbles in, and then a quick trigger pullup 2. The key here is the decisiveness and the ability to hit off the dribble. If he can reliably do this, it's going to be one small but important piece of the puzzle for us. I dont know why, but it makes me think of how Brogdon would always sneak in that backdoor layup on his drives when the initial option was well guarded. It's kind of a cheat code for AJ. You cannot let him shoot, so you have to close out hard. If you close out hard, he can make you pay with an easy 2. Deep playoff ball is going to prune off a lot of what we do and we better hope that what we are left with is more efficient than what the other guys have. This is something that can stay.

Taurean Prince: Doc has said he's coaching him to be aggressive on drives. He has shown that he struggles to finish in traffic. But he has also shown that he's a pretty decent passer if he can draw the help. Saw this on display last night and, like the AJ thing, it can be big for us on the margins.

Andre: He is just so far from a finished product and that is both frustrating at times as well as exciting. I dont mind the razzle dazzle. He knew the opponent and he knew we had a lead. I'd be surprised if he's doing that in a close game against Boston. The biggest thing for him, which everyone here knows, is him developing offense around the rim. I'm not even really concerned about his 3 point shot. He shouldn't be shooting above the break and he seems to hit corner 3s just fine (53% this season). He just needs some go-to moves besides trying to dunk it or tossing up a prayer. It's not a disaster in the meantime, though. With his passing, it can still be a good possession if he's kicking it out to an open shooter who will hopefully make the right play from there.

Bernman wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis's three point FGA through 14 games by season:

2025: .8
24: 2.1
23: 3.1
22: 4.6
21: 4.9
20: 4.4
19: 2.3
18: 1.8
17: 2.2
16: 1.8
15: .6
14: 1.2

I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Giannis midrange over the years

2020: 36% on 2.3 per game
2021: 42% on 3 per game
2022: 36% on 3 per game
2023: 35% on 2.4 per game
2024: 45% on 4.3 per game

it is early, but i believe he can keep it up.

Bucks in: Banton, Camara, R. Williams III
Portland in: Portis, Pat, Marjon, 2031 1st

I don't think Portland would be interested, they would obviously move Bobby and probably Pat and have more versatility because of their cap situation and they would want to make moves to get back under the tax. Saw a similar trade on the GB and thought I would throw this one out there.


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Bucks in: Camara
Portland in: Marjon, 2031 1st

Camara is signed through 2026 with only $6.5 million remaining. He is the Herb Jones that the Bucks need.

soxperry wrote:

Bernman wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis's three point FGA through 14 games by season:

2025: .8
24: 2.1
23: 3.1
22: 4.6
21: 4.9
20: 4.4
19: 2.3
18: 1.8
17: 2.2
16: 1.8
15: .6
14: 1.2

I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Giannis midrange over the years

2020: 36% on 2.3 per game
2021: 42% on 3 per game
2022: 36% on 3 per game
2023: 35% on 2.4 per game
2024: 45% on 4.3 per game

it is early, but i believe he can keep it up.

Fine but not down 1 with 8 sec left please. Work for something over 50%

-Jragon- wrote:

soxperry wrote:

Bernman wrote:
I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Giannis midrange over the years

2020: 36% on 2.3 per game
2021: 42% on 3 per game
2022: 36% on 3 per game
2023: 35% on 2.4 per game
2024: 45% on 4.3 per game

it is early, but i believe he can keep it up.

Fine but not down 1 with 8 sec left please. Work for something over 50%

PPP with 8 seconds left doesn't suggest better expected outcomes are found.

MissKhriddleton wrote:

Bernman wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis's three point FGA through 14 games by season:

2025: .8
24: 2.1
23: 3.1
22: 4.6
21: 4.9
20: 4.4
19: 2.3
18: 1.8
17: 2.2
16: 1.8
15: .6
14: 1.2

I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Doc did something no other coach has been able to or has had the balls to do.

I think it is the other way around, Bud was the only coach encouraging Giannis to shoot 3s, Giannis has only shot 3s under Bud (not under Kidd or Rivers)

Similarly other guys like Robin Lopez shot 3.9 and 4.4 3s per 36 in his two years with the Bucks
Jon Henson shot 5.9 3p per 36 in his first year with Bud etc

yannisk wrote:

MissKhriddleton wrote:

Bernman wrote:
I'm lovin it!



A mid 40's mid-range is as good statistically as a 30% 3, which he hasn't even been hitting in recent yrs, & when he gets to the elbow he's probing to see if there's an open lane to the hoop, unlike when he just hangs outside.

Doc did something no other coach has been able to or has had the balls to do.

I think it is the other way around, Bud was the only coach encouraging Giannis to shoot 3s, Giannis has only shot 3s under Bud (not under Kidd or Rivers)

Similarly other guys like Robin Lopez shot 3.9 and 4.4 3s per 36 in his two years with the Bucks
Jon Henson shot 5.9 3p per 36 in his first year with Bud etc

Giannis was hitting treys as a rookie under Larry Drew.

Then he put on all that muscle, coninciding with J Kidd restricting him during games. There went his shot. Muscle gain plus no in game reps. Shooting coaches tinkering with his mechanics.

At this point, he's best suited shooting like he is. And saving rare 3s for those confident moments, not chucking up heat checks.

It helps that he's surrounded by 3 point shooters who can actually hit. It's not needed.

theFireBlanket wrote:

yannisk wrote:

MissKhriddleton wrote:Doc did something no other coach has been able to or has had the balls to do.

I think it is the other way around, Bud was the only coach encouraging Giannis to shoot 3s, Giannis has only shot 3s under Bud (not under Kidd or Rivers)

Similarly other guys like Robin Lopez shot 3.9 and 4.4 3s per 36 in his two years with the Bucks
Jon Henson shot 5.9 3p per 36 in his first year with Bud etc

Giannis was hitting treys as arookie under Larry Drew.

Then he put on all that muscle, cononciding with J Kidd restricting him during games. There went his shot. Muscle gain plus no in game reps. Shooting coaches tinkering with his mechanics.

At this point, he's best suited shooting like he is. And saving rare 3s for those confident moments, not chucking up heat checks.

It helps that he's surrounded by 3 point shooters who can actually hit. It's not needed.

I'm watching what Lebron had done the last 2 years, and will not give up hope that the 3 will eventually be part of Giannis game. It might take another 8 years, but I'll wait.

crowhead76 wrote:Bucks in: Banton, Camara, R. Williams III
Portland in: Portis, Pat, Marjon, 2031 1st

I don't think Portland would be interested, they would obviously move Bobby and probably Pat and have more versatility because of their cap situation and they would want to make moves to get back under the tax. Saw a similar trade on the GB and thought I would throw this one out there.


or

Bucks in: Camara
Portland in: Marjon, 2031 1st

Camara is signed through 2026 with only $6.5 million remaining. He is the Herb Jones that the Bucks need.

Would do either one of these

crowhead76 wrote:Bucks in: Banton, Camara, R. Williams III
Portland in: Portis, Pat, Marjon, 2031 1st

I don't think Portland would be interested, they would obviously move Bobby and probably Pat and have more versatility because of their cap situation and they would want to make moves to get back under the tax. Saw a similar trade on the GB and thought I would throw this one out there.


or

Bucks in: Camara
Portland in: Marjon, 2031 1st

Camara is signed through 2026 with only $6.5 million remaining. He is the Herb Jones that the Bucks need.

I really like Camara, but I don't see any way Portland would deal him. He's the only part they got right in the Dame trade. He's the only thing helping their GM keep his job.

With Camara, Grant, and Avdija at forward, I do think they would deal Banton, and he checks a lot of boxes for us

crowhead76 wrote:Bucks in: Banton, Camara, R. Williams III
Portland in: Portis, Pat, Marjon, 2031 1st

I don't think Portland would be interested, they would obviously move Bobby and probably Pat and have more versatility because of their cap situation and they would want to make moves to get back under the tax. Saw a similar trade on the GB and thought I would throw this one out there.


or

Bucks in: Camara
Portland in: Marjon, 2031 1st

Camara is signed through 2026 with only $6.5 million remaining. He is the Herb Jones that the Bucks need.

No thank you from POR.

JRoy wrote:

crowhead76 wrote:Bucks in: Banton, Camara, R. Williams III
Portland in: Portis, Pat, Marjon, 2031 1st

I don't think Portland would be interested, they would obviously move Bobby and probably Pat and have more versatility because of their cap situation and they would want to make moves to get back under the tax. Saw a similar trade on the GB and thought I would throw this one out there.


or

Bucks in: Camara
Portland in: Marjon, 2031 1st

Camara is signed through 2026 with only $6.5 million remaining. He is the Herb Jones that the Bucks need.

No thank you from POR.

What is a fair price for you and also for the Portland front office for Bantan?

ShootingtheJ wrote:

-Jragon- wrote:

soxperry wrote:
Giannis midrange over the years

2020: 36% on 2.3 per game
2021: 42% on 3 per game
2022: 36% on 3 per game
2023: 35% on 2.4 per game
2024: 45% on 4.3 per game

it is early, but i believe he can keep it up.

Fine but not down 1 with 8 sec left please. Work for something over 50%

PPP with 8 seconds left doesn't suggest better expected outcomes are found.

You're bad at this; but I'm a people person so I'll help you.

Giannis makes it on 63% of his drives and gets fouled on 12%.
Now add.. 63%+12% = 75%

75%>45%

Maybe we should have ran a PLAY where Giannis takes it inside and win the game using BBIQ. School is a good place to go.