Hail Mary pass to save fan interest (trade idea)

Post #1 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:54 am

Let's assume Kohl won't fire Larry.....and won't hire a GM and give him full power.....Here's an idea with two moves to try and salvage the season or at least fan interest that aren't crazy 8 team trades....

Move one: Redd and Simmons to Indy for JO. If the Pacers balk at Simmons, send them Gadz instead.

Move two: CV to Sacramento for Garcia.

Start JO, Bogut, Garcia, Mo and Bell. Call up Sessions. Let Yi be sixth man and get plenty of minutes.

Is this my first choice of how to fix this mess? No. But we are living in the Kohl twilight zone of Bucks front office management and I don't want our only other alternative being Larry Harris on this week's WSSP show saying "Sparky, we're really excited about Michael Pietrus and what he can bring to this team.....and when Golden State was willing to do this deal for Charlie Bell and a future lotto protected first, we just had to pull the trigger. I had to get coach K some help at small forward until Desmond returns healthy in mid-March"

I'm not sure this fanbase can handle the season going down the drain this early while watching the same crappy players....

....flame away....just desperate ideas from a desperate fan.

jerrod · Post #2 » by **jerrod** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:59 am

i wouldn't do it

ACGB · Post #3 » by **ACGB** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:59 am

If Kohl really cared about the bucks he'd personally eat part of Simmons Gadz ect. contracts so they have trade value so we can blow up the team save Yi and Bogut.
Then he can sell the team and he'll still be making a large profit, does he really need the money?

Post #4 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:05 am

jerrod wrote:i wouldn't do it

If Indy and Sacto would even do these deals.....

Advantages:

a) We get a real big-man to compliment our faux big-men. Take the pressure off Bogut and Yi at this stage of their careers.

b) Dump Simmons contract (or Gadz)

c) Kohl will feel he can't trade Redd unless he gets a marquee name back in return. JO fits. I'd rather overpay an 18/10 shotblocking big man than a 23/4/3 no defense guard.

d) Fans would tune in for the time being.

jerrod · Post #5 » by **jerrod** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:16 am

until o'neal gets hurt again and/or starts a fast decline

then it's "these idiots gave away our god loving all star for this 20 mil a year crap?, i'm done with these fools"

i'm not saying our record wouldn't be better, but i don't think this would draw fans that much better

L&H_05 · Post #6 » by **L&H_05** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:59 am

I don't see Sacramento doing it... Garcia is playing good ball, and CV is not..

The Kings need a low post guy, and CV simply does not provide this...

DocHolliday · Post #7 » by **DocHolliday** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:02 am

To save fan interest?!? Is it going to be like how the Brewers had a chance at the playoffs and all a sudden all the fairweather fans came to support them? I give up on how Wisconsin wont support all of their teams like most of us do...

worthlessBucks · Post #8 » by **worthlessBucks** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:04 am

PP, I have to believe that if the organization actually grows enough of a pair to trade Redd, they'll go the draft pick/young player route. I only see Jermaine coming here if CV/Bogut & other is on the way out, all in an effort to salvage the season (which I'm strongly against, we aren't going to make the playoffs..and if we did, nothing good comes from it..bad draft pick, same cap hell, same overpaid chuckers, same inept management).

I'm fine with dangling CV for the best offer, Yi is our PF of the future. If Sacramento is willing to part with their first rounder this year (or the Clippers), then that would be the first trade I'd look at. Otherwise, I'm fine with Garcia, but this franchise isn't going to change much by adding Garcia and keeping the other parts the same. Garcia will probably conform to what Mike and the others are doing, rather than play the ball we've seen Garcia play in Sacramento the past few weeks while Bibby/Martin are out.

The train to blow this team up has left the station, I want to see no band-aids, no Pietrus/Maggette type deals just to save a few bucks.

Edit: Jermaine is alright as a player, he's been moving to the perimeter far too much the past few years, add in his contract and it's not ideal.

L&H_05 · Post #9 » by **L&H_05** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:07 am

DocHolliday wrote:To save fan interest?!?

Jermaine O'neal and Francisco Garcia's electrifying games get even the most casual NBA fans a little wet in the chaps... :-?

th87 · Post #10 » by **th87** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:25 am

Help us, Mark Attanasio (or Craig Leipold). You're our only hope.

worthlessBucks · Post #11 » by **worthlessBucks** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:40 am

th87 wrote:Help us, Mark Attanasio (or Craig Leipold). You're our only hope.

It'll take some assistance from a far off galaxy to save us, but Ben Kenobi isn't walking through that door I'm afraid. :cry:

Chuck Diesel · Post #12 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:44 am

This one doesn

th87 · Post #13 » by **th87** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:52 am

MFScho wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

It'll take some assistance from a far off galaxy to save us, but Ben Kenobi isn't walking through that door I'm afraid.

I find your lack of faith disturbing (but realistic).

Drwho17 · Post #14 » by **Drwho17** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:37 am

Homerific trade idea, Redd and bad contract for Jermaine O'Neal. Pacers laugh hard.

DocHolliday · Post #15 » by **DocHolliday** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 12:36 pm

L&H_05 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Jermaine O'neal and Francisco Garcia's electrifying games get even the most casual NBA fans a little wet in the chaps...

I'd get wet if they offer free martinis...

bucksbrewerspackersfan · Post #16 » by **bucksbrewerspackersfan** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 12:56 pm

I like Jermaine O'Neal but injuries scare me with him. So I would not do it. But hey more power to you if you think it would save the Bucks.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #17 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:29 pm

Drwho17 wrote:Homerific trade idea, Redd and bad contract for Jermaine O'Neal. Pacers laugh hard.

I agree with this, plus I don't like replacing Redd with a different veteran who won't bring us any farther, and who will take post touches away from Bogut and Yi.

I would be ok with trading Bogut/CV/etc for Jermaine O'Neal if the team wanted to try and win now though. Don't know if the Pacers have interest in that either, but it would make more sense for us.

Post #18 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:20 pm

adamcz wrote:-= I agree with this, plus I don't like replacing Redd with a different veteran who won't bring us any farther, and who will take post touches away from Bogut and Yi..

I'm not sure I want Bogut getting post touches anymore......just let him worry about garbage putbacks, cuts to the hoop and playing defense......Yi, he can move to SF or sixth man. He's going to get a lot more open looks then with JO down on the blocks.

And remember, Redd is gone....that opens up a ton of shots.

As for a homerific trade, I concur with that now, but a month ago, Pacers fans wanted something, anything for JO given his injury situation. These things cycle month to month. Now he's back playing well.....

europa · Post #19 » by **europa** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:26 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And remember, Redd is gone....that opens up a ton of shots.

O'Neal averages slightly more shots per minute than Redd does. It's pretty much a wash although O'Neal's percentage is slightly higher. So replacing Redd with O'Neal wouldn't result in more shots for anyone else. It would merely mean the shots Redd has gotten would now be taken by O'Neal. No other player would benefit in terms of shot attempts assuming the Bucks take the same number of shots per game as they are now.

BrewersGM · Post #20 » by **BrewersGM** » Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:54 pm

We should have went after JO at the beginning of the year when he wanted out . Indiana was not thinking and were willing to give him up for less...