My First Redd Trade Proposal

europa · Post #1 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:32 am

I'm still tinkering with a way to get the Bucks a deal with the Nets and Mavs for the reasons I've stated elsewhere but in the interim I thought about something else. There are rumblings out in LA that Elton Brand may not want to stay with the Clippers after this season (he has a player option for next season). So with that in mind, I came up with the following offer:

Redd/Villanueva/Gadz/2009 first

For

Brand/Maggette/Clips 1st-round pick

The first-round pick could be a dealbreaker but if you're the Bucks you insist upon it given how Brand could decide he doesn't want to play for the Bucks either. But I think this deal makes sense for both teams. For the Clippers, it brings back a second-tier player to replace Brand in case he decides to leave and it allows them to finally be rid of Maggette and they get Villanueva's "potential" in return. And Gadz will pack the stands due to his UCLA roots. They give up a lottery pick in 2008 but get back the Bucks' first in 2009 as compensation.

It's a bit trickier for the Bucks since it involves moving Yi to SF full-time with Brand taking over at PF. If Yi showed he could adapt to the position (and I think given his skill set and talent he could) the Bucks would have a potentially dynamic frontcourt since it adds a legit All-Star caliber player in Brand to team with Yi and Bogut. It clearly means this season is over given Brand's injury but you're now positioned with two probable lottery picks in next year's draft and you're adding Brand to the mix as well. So while you are going with a rebuilding effort you're adding the benefit of a big-time talent as part of the process which is huge.

I don't think Kohl wants to give up on this season so I doubt this trade has a snowball's chance in hell of happening. And the Clips probably aren't gung-ho about parting with a lottery pick. But if the rumors pick up that Brand could leave LA they may feel the pressure to get value for him while they can. And Lord knows they'd be happy to be rid of Maggette if they could get something decent for him in return.

LUKE23 · Post #2 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:35 am

I'm confused as to why the Clippers would even think about this one?

They give up their two top players and their pick for Redd, who is better than Maggette but not by nearly as much as most think, and who is significantly worse than Brand.

trwi7 · Post #3 » by **trwi7** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:35 am

Clips wouldn't do it even without the 1st rounder.

Newz · Post #4 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:36 am

There's no way that they give us their first round pick in that deal.

However, with the emergence of Kaman and the Clippers need for a real perimeter scorer they might consider it... And I would certainly consider it since I am a huge Elton Brand fan.

Thing about this trade though is if we do it we either have to move Yi or Bogut, because their isn't enough room on the front line for all of them. Yi might be able to play spot minutes at the 3 or play their based on certain match-ups, but no way is he a starting 3 who's going to play 20+ minutes a night at that position.

Newz · Post #5 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:37 am

LUKE23 wrote:I'm confused as to why the Clippers would even think about this one?

They give up their two top players and their pick for Redd, who is better than Maggette but not by nearly as much as most think, and who is significantly worse than Brand.

Kaman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maggette

europa · Post #6 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:37 am

LUKE23 wrote:I'm confused as to why the Clippers would even think about this one?

For the reasons I've stated. They don't want Maggette there. They would love to trade him if they could find a taker. Brand could walk and give them nothing at the end of the season. The offer is contingent upon Brand deciding he wants to leave. Obviously if he doesn't they wouldn't make the deal, but if they felt the pressure to get something for him instead of having him walk away this brings back value for him.

Post #7 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:38 am

europa wrote:
And Gadz will pack the stands due to his UCLA roots.

Hmmmmm. Maybe not.

LUKE23 · Post #8 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:38 am

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kaman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maggette

This year, yes, but it's a statistical anomaly for him. His rebounding numbers have skyrocketed because no one else on that team can rebound.

With everything equal and Brand in the picture, Maggette >>>>> Kaman.

europa · Post #9 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:38 am

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kaman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maggette

It's probably not even that close.

LUKE23 · Post #10 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:40 am

europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

For the reasons I've stated. They don't want Maggette there. They would love to trade him if they could find a taker. Brand could walk and give them nothing at the end of the season. The offer is contingent upon Brand deciding he wants to leave. Obviously if he doesn't they wouldn't make the deal, but if they felt the pressure to get something for him instead of having him walk away this brings back value for him.

Well, Brand >>> Redd, Maggette >>> CV, 1st >>> Gadz. This would be highway robbery by the Bucks. Even if Brand walks from the Bucks they still don't make out all that badly especially given the fact that the Clippers pick is no question top 10.

From the Clippers standpoint, I don't think they'd be looking to add a player like Redd. If they are going to lose Brand and Maggette they would be looking to rebuild.

europa · Post #11 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:40 am

LukePliska wrote:There's no way that they give us their first round pick in that deal.

I've amended the deal to include the Bucks' 2009 first. Given how the Bucks would have two lottery picks in 2008, the 2009 pick has lesser value in my opinion - and gives something of value to the Clips in return.

Post #12 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:41 am

LUKE23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This year, yes, but it's a statistical anomaly for him. His rebounding numbers have skyrocketed because no one else on that team can rebound.

With everything equal and Brand in the picture, Maggette >>>>> Kaman.

That maybe the single most insane thing I've ever read on RealGM.

europa · Post #13 » by **europa** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:41 am

MickeyDavis wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hmmmmm. Maybe not.

I don't do the green thing so I'm hoping you realize I was being a tad bit sarcastic with that comment.

LUKE23 · Post #14 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:42 am

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That maybe the single most insane thing I've ever read on RealGM.

That statement by you is equally as "insane". I think people forget that this is the first year that Kaman has ever done anything close to this. You think it's a coincidence he's doing it with Brand out?

Kaman is a solid player, he's nowhere near as good as what he's doing this year playing next to anyone of quality.

Newz · Post #15 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:44 am

Kaman is averaging 18/14/2 with 3 blocks per game...

That is an absolutely ridiculous line. Kaman has elevated his game after an off year and is playing great... He has improved in every aspect of the game.

No one can rebound on the Bucks aside from Bogut, yet he still only grabs 8 a game and people think he is somehow as good or better than Chris Kaman. I didn't know that their was anyone that watched any sort of basketball that thought Maggette was better than Kaman, hell I didn't even think Maggette was better than him last year when he was having an off year.

paul · Post #16 » by **paul** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:44 am

A well thought out deal europa. If we are dealing Redd, i think this is the best one i've seen. I'd do it, plus the clippers would be stupid not to do it with gadz involved, he's the obvious drawcard.
Seriously don't think they'd do it, but i would.

LUKE23 · Post #17 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:45 am

LukePliska wrote:Kaman is averaging 18/14/2 with 3 blocks per game...

That is an absolutely ridiculous line. Kaman has elevated his game after an off year and is playing great... He has improved in every aspect of the game.

No one can rebound on the Bucks aside from Bogut, yet he still only grabs 8 a game and people think he is somehow as good or better than Chris Kaman. I didn't know that their was anyone that watched any sort of basketball that thought Maggette was better than Kaman, hell I didn't even think Maggette was better than him last year when he was having an off year.

Give me a break. Kaman's a career 10/8 player and his best year before this was 12/9.6. Who cares about comparing him to Bogut, Bogut is a slightly above average center.

People really need to put Kaman's season into context.

I also find your personal attacks comical considering who they are coming from.

Newz · Post #18 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:47 am

LUKE23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That statement by you is equally as "insane". I think people forget that this is the first year that Kaman has ever done anything close to this. You think it's a coincidence he's doing it with Brand out?

Kaman is a solid player, he's nowhere near as good as what he's doing this year playing next to anyone of quality.

He is putting up 18/14/2 with 3 blocks per game...

Who cares how he is doing it? He is doing it and it is unbelievable, Kaman is playing like a top 5 player at his position this season.

Post #19 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:47 am

I've got LP now. Watch the Clips quite a bit and it's entirely because of Kamen. I watch the guy to see if I can see any similarities between he and Bogut. Maybe convince myself that Bogut to could make the leap.

There really isn't any comparison. Kamen's a top three center this season. He rebounds like a mad-man, has nice touch from mid-range in and moves well all around the court. He's taken 'the leap'.

Newz · Post #20 » by **Newz** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:48 am

LUKE23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Give me a break. Kaman's a career 10/8 player and his best year before this was 12/9.6. Who cares about comparing him to Bogut, Bogut is a slightly above average center.

People really need to put Kaman's season into context.

I also find your personal attacks comical considering who they are coming from.

Yeah, and a 12/10 guy is a whole lot better than Corey Maggette, especially when he can get 'lucky' or however you think he is having this monster season and get you 18/14 with 3 blocks.