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Post#1 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:22 pm

Second day in a row Bucks made the frontpage of hoopshype

Something is going down although he shoots down Z-Bo and Artest rumors


He does put some pretty interesting names down as "available"


NBA teams ready to play 'Let's Make a Deal'
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Post#2 » by cam2win » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:02 pm

Wow, great work by Woefel. This definitly wasn't a fluff article and he wasn't holding back on what he knew.

Problem is most of the out-going Bucks names do not equal the list of players he hears are available.

The name I think I would like most is Deng. I wonder with the Bulls seemingly hesitant on extending Deng and the fact they need someone who is a PF or C that can score, if they'd be interested in a CV package? Maybe CV and Simmons (a Chicago native) for Deng and filler (maybe Duhon)?

Lots of names I want on that list....most are unobtainable IMO without including other Bucks.

My other disappointment is to not see Mike on the Bucks list of available players. I like Mike alot, but it's time to move on.
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Post#3 » by InsideOut » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:21 pm

I can't see how we get any of those names worth having without giving up Redd, Bogut or Yi. CV isn't near enough for the guys we'd want and adding Simmon's or Gadz to the deal only makes it worse for the team getting CV. Maybe if we'd add a pick...say CV and our #1 for Deng or Smith? I don't even know if that's near enough. I guess it depends what number the pick is.
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Post#4 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:25 pm

cam2win wrote:Wow, great work by Woefel. This definitly wasn't a fluff article and he wasn't holding back on what he knew.

Problem is most of the out-going Bucks names do not equal the list of players he hears are available.

The name I think I would like most is Deng. I wonder with the Bulls seemingly hesitant on extending Deng and the fact they need someone who is a PF or C that can score, if they'd be interested in a CV package? Maybe CV and Simmons (a Chicago native) for Deng and filler (maybe Duhon)?

Lots of names I want on that list....most are unobtainable IMO without including other Bucks.

My other disappointment is to not see Mike on the Bucks list of available players. I like Mike alot, but it's time to move on.
I think the Bulls would be making a huge mistake to let L. Deng go, if I were them, I would ride it out with him and perhaps try and move Ben Gordon. I also think it would be a huge mistake for them to move Andres Nocioni.

One of the names I hadn't heard was Josh Smith.. and I would be the most interested in grabbing him. However, I recall from during the summer that Atlanta has been unreasonable in their trade proposals, so I don't see him as a possiblity for us.

Lastly, as much as Bucks fans wanted Michael Redd to move around.. I don't personally believe they were ever serious about moving him, especially not for most of the JUNK being proposed on the boards.
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Post#5 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:30 pm

COSA NOSTRA wrote:Yeah I read that and found that odd that Redd was not on there? As well as the Bucks are playing with him being out you think they would consider moving him?
The Bucks have played very well at times against sub 500 teams.. even with the new confidence found by guys like Simmons, Bell, and Ivey.. they would have more games that resembled the huge Washington & Detroit blowouts rather than the confidence building wins against teams like Philly, Miami (who is horrible this year and we played 2 in this winning streak) and Bobcats.
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Post#6 » by fam3381 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:37 pm

It's too bad we don't have more attractive pieces. The one thing that makes me nervous is that our 1st rounder if unprotected could be very valuable, and we obviously have a front office that as configured has a disproportionate incentive to win now, at the cost of longer-term success.

I kinda doubt we do a huge deal since we don't have expiring contracts to net a big fish. The more intriguing thing to me are all the guys coming off rookie deals who want big paydays. If some team acquires a guy like Smith, Deng, etc they're not going to have much of any competition to re-sign him since it seems like only Philly could have cap space. But they also don't have big contracts now, so packages of young guys + picks could do it. For us it's hard though because we have big contracts that we'd still be stuck with if we did acquire a young guy, who we'd then have to give a big deal to.
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Post#7 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:37 pm

If character issues were out the window, Josh Smith would be #1 on my wish list.
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Post#8 » by europa » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:44 pm

Woelfel's story runs contrary to an ESPN article last week which said many GMs are gunshy about making big deals now in light of the bad returns the Sixers got for Iverson and the T'Wolves got for Garnett (including the fact Knight got fired in Philly after making the Iverson trade). I hope Woelfel's right because the more options that are truly available the better the chance the Bucks can make a deal to improve their team.
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Post#9 » by xTitan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:52 pm

Isn't Josh Smith a free agent at the end of the year? I thought I read that he told the Hawks he plans on testing the free agent market regardless, so no I have no interest in a 1/2 year player. I think a few more names on that list are free agents as well................plus everyone needs to remember that its only a list, there are alot of other players who would be available for the right deal, just because Redd wasn't mentioned doesn't mean he couldn't be dealt.
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Post#10 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:53 pm

I think we should not even think about Deng. If Paxson wouldn't let him go in a Garnett or Pau deal. We have no chance of getting him.


I think the most likely candidates for us will be Pietrus or Maggette.


To acquire Pietrus we don't have a good one for one deal.

Perhaps they will throw in Barnes they have Azuibuike needing more time as well as Bellinelli.

I don't see them moving Harrington. He is their backup center for the most part and fits extremely well into their system.
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Post#11 » by xTitan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:56 pm

I believe Pietrus would also be a rent-a-player, can't see why a team that has absolutely 0 title hopes would acquire a rental player, this isn't baseball.
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Post#12 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:01 pm

xTitan wrote:I believe Pietrus would also be a rent-a-player, can't see why a team that has absolutely 0 title hopes would acquire a rental player, this isn't baseball.



Whats the deal with his rights though?


If it doesn't take too much to acquire him I'd say why not?


It could give us a leg up to re-sign him.

He's been wanting playing time for a long time and we can almost guarantee a starting spot for him, if not, plenty of backup minutes. Surely more than GSW are giving him right now.
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Post#13 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:17 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:I think we should not even think about Deng. If Paxson wouldn't let him go in a Garnett or Pau deal. We have no chance of getting him.


I think the most likely candidates for us will be Pietrus or Maggette.


To acquire Pietrus we don't have a good one for one deal.

Perhaps they will throw in Barnes they have Azuibuike needing more time as well as Bellinelli.

I don't see them moving Harrington. He is their backup center for the most part and fits extremely well into their system.
GSW needs another big body.. so instead of wasting time with Barnes (who I only think is productive in a system where he can chuck as many long distance shots as time permits), I would propose offering Dan Gadzuric for Mickael Pietrus (if the Bucks want him thad badly). He would be a perfect fit for them. He could run the floor with their chuckers and would crash the boards whenever a lob was thrown. He wouldn't be depended upon for offense, and could help Biedrins out with the shotblocking. To pull off a deal like that though, I think we would need a third team that might be intersted in either Bobby Simmons or Charlie Villanueva, and in return I would want a big man to back up Yi.
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Post#14 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:19 pm

[quote="EastSideBucksFan"][/quote]Oh and I think to get Mickael Pietrus in a trade, doesn't he have to agree or something? I think because he signed a 1 year deal, he can't be traded without giving his permission or something like that. Fam & GAD could better answer that question though..
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Post#15 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:20 pm

carmelbrownqueen wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Oh and I think to get Mickael Pietrus in a trade, doesn't he have to agree or something? I think because he signed a 1 year deal, he can't be traded without giving his permission or something like that. Fam & GAD could better answer that question though..



I do know that he has to agree to a trade

I have a feeling that whatever team acquires him does not have any bird rights on him and he will be an UFA

Which makes him less attractive in a trade package.

I would love to dump Gadzuric on them, but they've been getting along without him. I don't see why they would want to take him on, but you never know I guess.
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Post#16 » by BuckFan25226 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:21 pm

The only places Gadzuric has any chance to succeed are Golden State and Phoenix. So a trade to either would make sense. And I don't even care what we get back, as long as they are expirings and we get rid ourselves of his contract.
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Post#17 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:32 pm

BuckFan25226 wrote:The only places Gadzuric has any chance to succeed are Golden State and Phoenix. So a trade to either would make sense. And I don't even care what we get back, as long as they are expirings and we get rid ourselves of his contract.



I think the only way that Phoenix takes him on is if we take Marcus Banks back.


But they are up against the wall for the luxury tax. No way they take on Gadz's deal.
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Post#18 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:38 pm

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Warriors can trade disgruntled Pietrus
Forward welcomes a chance for more playing time somewhere else

By Geoff Lepper
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Article Launched: 12/30/2007 02:57:41 AM PST


OAKLAND -- Warriors forward Mickael Pietrus spent much of this summer waiting for a trade that would deliver him from Oakland. It didn't happen, obviously, but beginning this week, that possibility will be once again in play.
After signing Pietrus to a one-year qualifying offer worth $3.47 million, the Warriors have been prohibited from dealing him for three months -- a limitation that ends Tuesday.

While both sides said they're not actively seeking a divorce, there is no doubt that Pietrus would still like to wind up with a team where he'll get more consistent playing time. And it's equally clear that the Warriors are open to the idea of dealing their longest-tenured player.

"If a trade is offered, I'll go," said Pietrus, who has the right to veto any deal because he would have to relinquish his "Larry Bird rights," potentially costing himself money on the free agent market next summer. "I'll give up my 'Bird rights' for 35 minutes (per game)."

According to executive vice president Chris Mullin, the Warriors are not shopping Pietrus' wares, but they are amenable to a trade if offered something suitably desirable.

That was a big stumbling block over the summer, when Pietrus' agents tried diligently but unsuccessfully to broker a deal. Golden State was less than enamored with all the choices Bill McCandless and Happy Walters were able to provide.

"There's no urgency. That's not something I can control. That's the (front) office's job and my agents'," Pietrus said. "My thing so far right now is doing what I can do for the team and not thinking about anything else.
"It's a business, things happen every day, so if it happens to me, it's not the first time it happened to somebody. I'm trying to support my teammates and play basketball."

Pietrus, 25, set career-highs in almost every category you can think of last season, his fourth in the NBA but first with new coach Don Nelson. Nelson reined in Pietrus' tendencies to try to do too much offensively, and he enjoyed an 8.4 percent leap in his field-goal percentage, to 48.8, and 7.0 percent increase in his 3-point accuracy, to 38.8.

But this year, Pietrus' role has shrunk, not grown. After averaging 26.9 minutes a game last season, Pietrus hasn't reached that level once in 16 appearances since Nov. 24. His shooting numbers are back down near their career totals, and his averages in scoring (6.0 points per game, down from 11.1) and rebounding (2.9 from 4.5) have tumbled.

Asked recently if Pietrus still has growth left in his game after four years in the NBA and four more in France, Nelson said, "I hope there's a little growth there somewhere.

"He hasn't played as well this year as he did last year. I don't know why he hasn't played as well. He's going to say it's because he's not playing; I'm going to say he's not playing because he's not playing well. Do you want to get into that one?"

Nelson said Friday before Golden State's 124-120 loss to Denver that his more senior bench players -- swingmen such as Pietrus, Matt Barnes and Kelenna Azubuike -- were going to get their chance to help out over the Warriors' stretch of seven contests against other Western Conference playoff hopefuls.

That stretch might also serve as a bit of an audition process; one talent evaluator spotted at a recent Warriors game was paying close attention to every move made by Pietrus, Barnes and Azubuike, all of whom could be free agents at season's end.

Pietrus said he's not worried if potential suitors are thrown off by his decreased numbers while learning a new position as an undersized power forward.

"Teams already know what I'm capable to bring," Pietrus said. "In my mind, I'm already ready no matter what, where I go to. Right now, I'm just trying to focus on trying to just getting as many wins as we can and we'll see later."


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Post#19 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:48 pm

As a GS fan I'd prefer Charlie to Gadzuric.

A Villanueva for Pietrus makes alot of sense for both sides.

Pietrus wants to play and whoever plays him will have a leg up on resigning. At worst you free up a few million for next year.

For GS Charlie makes more sense in a lineup where we need guys who can handle and shoot the ball.

Gadz is to much like Biedrins who doesn't shoot the ball and often sits because Nellie goes small.

Charlie would allow us to go small and he's still got enough size to rebound and get out on the break.

Makes sense for us.

Most ofvthose names on the so called trade deadline list are just names that are gonna be thron around. But let's be honest, every year there are tons of names thrown out, but only a couple of deals actually get done.
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Post#20 » by Newz » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:49 pm

If the Bucks could somehow move Gadzuric for Pietrus that would be absolutely amazing... But I seriously, seriously doubt that happens.

CV for Pietrus makes the most sense... Especially if we think we can keep Pietrus around after this year for 4-5 million per year.

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