Bucks-Suns Postgame Thread 1/12/08

europa · Post #1 » by **europa** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:22 am

Krystkowiak was playing against Bogut in his head-to-head fantasy league tonight.

Mo and Redd probably should've taken an early flight to Utah for as much good as they did.

Simmons and Villanueva were great early and then faded when the game was on the line. Bell played very well.

The last time the Bucks won in Phoenix Don Johnson was a big star.

Think about that.

Discuss.

jzmagik · Post #2 » by **jzmagik** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:23 am

europa wrote:Krystkowiak was playing against Bogut in his head-to-head fantasy league tonight.

Mo and Redd probably should've taken an early flight to Utah for as much good as they did.

Simmons and Villanueva were great early and then faded when the game was on the line. Bell played very well.

The last time the Bucks won in Phoenix Don Johnson was a big star.

Think about that.

Discuss.

trwi7 · Post #3 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:25 am

teh suckorz:

Redd
Mo
Yi

teh pwnzorz:

Bell
Simmons
Bogut

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #4 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:25 am

you cant blame the whole 4th on redd, no one stepped up. bogut had a TO and a wild shot, mo took a bad shot.

PHX is just good. Although, you definitely could hate our D. It Steve Freakin' Nash! Guard HIM!

Dags · Post #5 » by **Dags** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:26 am

It's just a bad result. Glad we kept it close against a top team with our backcourt playing like dirt. Some positives to get from the game (Bogut, Simmons, Bell) and some negatives (defense by all players, Mo, Redd, Yi, TOs).

In the end we competed on the road against a really good team. We shouldn't be too down on the team. Would have been nice if Nash was too ill to play, but them's the breaks.

jeremyd236 · Post #6 » by **jeremyd236** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:26 am

Great game by the Bucks as a team. You can't complain with tonight's efforts. We lost this game because we simply aren't as talented.

The biggest differences between the halves was Bobby Simmons. He was scoring early and then just stopped. We've all said this before, but if the Bucks want to win big games, it won't be Mo or Redd who steps up. Bogut stepped up but it just wasn't enough.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #7 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:26 am

Very good game by Bogut...but Bucks haven't won in PHX since 1987, so I'm not surprised by the results.

jzmagik · Post #8 » by **jzmagik** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:26 am

Loved those pick and roll switches where Nash got the big man and torched him.

stellation · Post #9 » by **stellation** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:27 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:you cant blame the whole 4th on redd, no one stepped up. bogut had a TO and a wild shot, mo took a bad shot.

Didn't Bogut either score or get an assist on 3 straight trips down the court?

Epicurus · Post #10 » by **Epicurus** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:27 am

I didn't get to see this game and would love to as I like the Bucks playing at this pace. This was a team in which personnel was selected on the bais of shooting ability as much as anything, The more shots the better for the Bucks, plus an open court game is better for Bogut's talents than a power game. I hope LK recognizes the hand he was given and goes to it strength. Maybe the Bucks can't beat the better teams with the open court and fast pace style, but it can beat the other C and below teams with it.

europa · Post #11 » by **europa** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:27 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:you cant blame the whole 4th on redd, no one stepped up. bogut had a TO and a wild shot, mo took a bad shot.

PHX is just good. Although, you definitely could hate our D. It Steve Freakin' Nash! Guard HIM!

No reason to blame this loss on Redd. He didn't play all that well but he was hardly the worst player on the court.

The biggest problem was Krystkowiak keeping Bogut and Redd on the bench for so long in the fourth quarter. Absolutely no reason for Bogut not to come back in at the 9-minute mark and Redd should have come in sooner than the 5-minute mark. And then Krystkowiak ignored the best offense he had the entire night (Bogut working in the post) with the game on the line.

Absolutely horrendous coaching by Krystkowiak tonight. This loss certainly was to be expected but when you have a shot to spring an upset like the Bucks did, you can't afford poor coaching. And that's what did in the Bucks tonight.

casey123 · Post #12 » by **casey123** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:28 am

Charlie V. made Borris Diaw look like an all -star. Redd also a defensive
liability. Gets Beat off dribble all the time and leaves man wide open for three's. He dosen't understand concept of playing simple high school zone.

Bucks have good enough offense to win games if they had any defensive heart and intellect.

Durbanfish4 · Post #13 » by **Durbanfish4** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:28 am

With a little less than a minute to go and the Bucks down 4...none other than yours truly...M. Redd decides to play hero again and then turns it over....what a joke!

europa · Post #14 » by **europa** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:29 am

Epicurus wrote:The more shots the better for the Bucks, plus an open court game is better for Bogut's talents than a power game.

Actually, tonight was a game where Bogut was a monster playing in the post. He was scoring at will inside. He did some nice things on the move but his post work was excellent. And that's why, in my opinion, it was a major mistake by Krystkowiak to go away from that in the last 3 minutes or so.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #15 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:29 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:you cant blame the whole 4th on redd, no one stepped up. bogut had a TO and a wild shot, mo took a bad shot.

PHX is just good. Although, you definitely could hate our D. It Steve Freakin' Nash! Guard HIM!

Yep. The Suns stepped it up in the second half and some of the guys who produced in the first half didn't produce in the second half.

paul · Post #16 » by **paul** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:30 am

Epicurus wrote:I didn't get to see this game and would love to as I like the Bucks playing at this pace. This was a team in which personnel was selected on the bais of shooting ability as much as anything, The more shots the better for the Bucks, plus an open court game is better for Bogut's talents than a power game. I hope LK recognizes the hand he was given and goes to it strength. Maybe the Bucks can't beat the better teams with the open court and fast pace style, but it can beat the other C and below teams with it.

You should watch it Epi because thats not really what happened at all. Bogut was unstoppable in the power game, he owned Amare in the post.

europa · Post #17 » by **europa** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:30 am

casey123 wrote:Charlie V. made Borris Diaw look like an all -star.

Just when you think Villanueva can't get any worse defensively he pulls a game like this one and gets even worse. He really is a horrific defensive player.

bayrdbandit · Post #18 » by **bayrdbandit** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:30 am

we played a really good game, can't argue that. bogut played like a stud, it's not hard to watch a game like that and see his potential to be a 20/10 player.

mo looked tired.

redd's is really starting to look like he doesn't fit in.

i don't know why everyone gets so down on yi. he's a rookie, he probably shouldn't be starting, but to call him crap is stupid.

charlie bell was tops.

jzmagik · Post #19 » by **jzmagik** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:30 am

Andre'3000 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That drove me nuts all night too! I was scraming at the tv everytime! Nash just runs that to well. Stockton like I would say!

It's either terrible defense or Larry's dictating those switches, I remember the Spurs game where the big man was always switching onto Parker that game, its mind-boggling.

Dags · Post #20 » by **Dags** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:31 am

Epicurus wrote:I didn't get to see this game and would love to as I like the Bucks playing at this pace. This was a team in which personnel was selected on the bais of shooting ability as much as anything, The more shots the better for the Bucks, plus an open court game is better for Bogut's talents than a power game. I hope LK recognizes the hand he was given and goes to it strength. Maybe the Bucks can't beat the better teams with the open court and fast pace style, but it can beat the other C and below teams with it.

Mate, Bogut did his scoring on traditional post-ups, not due to the fast pace of the game. He was making nice power moves down low and, after picking up his dribble, using his pivot foot really well.

Anyway, does anyone think Bogut has been told to reel in his blocks in order to keep down the fouls? It seems he's completely lost his blocking ability and has picked up his offense over the last 10 games. Has he been told he has to stay out there to becomes a key offensive player?