Atleast we're not the Knicks.

[midranger]

Forget their terrible team. Forget their coach/GM. Check this out....

2008 first round draft pick to Utah
New York's own 2008 1st round pick to Utah via Phoenix (top 23 protected in the 2008 Draft, top 22 protected in 2009, and unprotected in the 2010 Draft). [New York - Phoenix, 1/5/2004 and then Phoenix - Utah, 2/19/2004]


2008 second round draft pick to Portland
New York's own 2008 2nd round pick to Portland [New York - Portland, 6/28/2007]


2009 second round draft pick to Chicago
New York's own 2009 2nd round pick to Chicago [Chicago - New York, 10/4/2005]





That pick is stemming back to the Marbury trade. No way the Knicks turn it around in the next 2.5 years, so they're going to lose a high lotto (possibly #1) pick. Wow. Isiah has destroyed that team.

[paulpressey25]

A good GM could remake our team....it's not a cap mess and we have some assets here....

[midranger]

A good GM could remake our team....it's not a cap mess and we have some assets here....

We have a good GM. We have a bad owner.

[europa]

At least the Knicks aren't the CBA. That's an entire league Isiah ran into the ground. So in some respects, he's making progress by only damaging one team instead of several.

[midranger]

At least the Knicks aren't the CBA. That's an entire league Isiah ran into the ground. So in some respects, he's making progress by only damaging one team instead of several.

The Knicks are the NBA.


Madison Square Garden is the Mecca of basketball.

[bigkurty]

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We have a good GM. We have a bad owner.

Just think, we could have Boozer or Marion right now if not for the owner. I don't care who you are, either of those guys would have made us a better team. Although I do admit, I really like Yi. Of course supposedly Kohl doesn't care for him too much for some reason. Does any of the insiders know if this rumor is true or not?

[Chuck Diesel]

I wonder what the Knicks record is with Thomas in charge compared to the Bucks record under the helm of Larry Harris.

[midranger]

Kohl needs to keep personal feelings out of business.

[midranger]

I wonder what the Knicks record is with Thomas in charge compared to the Bucks record under the helm of Larry Harris.

The difference is, Isiah was given a blank check and carte blanche to make whatever moves he wanted. Coaches (like 5 of them), huge trades, huge contracts, etc.... That was all Isiah.

My guess is that if Harris had the same freedom, our team would look a lot different and that would be reflected in the record.

[Chuck Diesel]

Bucks under Larry Harris

139-189

[jerrod]

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Just think, we could have Boozer or Marion right now if not for the owner.

i'm going to choose not to think about that

[paulpressey25]

I'm not that down about passing on the Marion trade.....I'm pretty happy with Yi for his upside and marketing punch.....

But the Boozer trade is a different story since GAD said Brewer was part of that deal. Uggh....

[bigkurty]

I'm not that down about passing on the Marion trade.....I'm pretty happy with Yi for his upside and marketing punch.....

But the Boozer trade is a different story since GAD said Brewer was part of that deal. Uggh....

I have to admit that I am not too down about the Marion trade either. Would we be a better team now? Sure, but our salary flexibility would be worse and I really like Yi too. Do you remember exactly what the Boozer trade was though and when it would have went down? I can't remember exactly.

[jokeboy86]

The thing is though as bad as the Knicks are most players would choose the Knicks over the Bucks in a heartbeat just cause of the location alone.

[BucksRuleAll22]

Bucks could of had Baron Davis.

[midranger]

Boozer, Brewer for Magloire and Mo. Along those lines.

Thats the trade for a PF that Harris originally presented to Kohl. Had we made that deal, my suspicion is that everyone here (including europa) would still be calling him the best GM in basketball. He did his job, but there are too many factors that he can't control.

[coolhandluke121]

At least the Knicks aren't the CBA. That's an entire league Isiah ran into the ground. So in some respects, he's making progress by only damaging one team instead of several.

Not entirely true. The NBA has a good revenue-sharing program and every small market team in the league depends on the big-market teams being able to generate a substantial share of the league's revenue. With the Heat, Knicks, and Bulls struggling mightily this year there is some concern that the salary cap will stay the same or even go down next year.

[paulpressey25]

Boozer, Brewer for Magloire and Mo. Along those lines.

Thats the trade for a PF that Harris originally presented to Kohl. Had we made that deal, my suspicion is that everyone here (including europa) would still be calling him the best GM in basketball. He did his job, but there are too many factors that he can't control.

I agree.....that deal was presented to us about a week or two before the 2006 draft. I remember we had some lengthy threads debating it. Not that trade in exact terms but the fact Kohl had flown in and was meeting with the braintrust to talk about taking either Boozer's or Troy Murphy's contract.

In hindsight it looks like a great deal we should have made.....at the time it was a bit harder given that some here wanted Mo as the long-term PG and I think few would have thought Boozer would have played two injury free seasons at an All-NBA level. We knew the guy was good, but no one could have predicted his game would take this leap.

But those are the type of gambles that great GM's are lauded for.....

[Andre'3000]

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Just think, we could have Boozer or Marion right now if not for the owner. I don't care who you are, either of those guys would have made us a better team. Although I do admit, I really like Yi. Of course supposedly Kohl doesn't care for him too much for some reason. Does any of the insiders know if this rumor is true or not?

I remember when Boozer was offered to us. He would be putting up even bigger numbers if he stayed in the East. Reguardless he still is a top 5 PF in the NBA. What were the details of that offer again?

I hope Kohl cares after going through all that to get him signed!

[europa]

Boozer, Brewer for Magloire and Mo. Along those lines.

Thats the trade for a PF that Harris originally presented to Kohl. Had we made that deal, my suspicion is that everyone here (including europa) would still be calling him the best GM in basketball. He did his job, but there are too many factors that he can't control.

First off, I've never called Harris the best GM in basketball. However, I have said that he deserves praise for bringing the Bucks the possibility of making what could have been an incredible trade for them (Boozer/the pick that turned out to be Brewer for Mo and Magloire). It is not his fault Kohl shot it down. It is his fault, in my opinion, that when Kohl turned it down he subsequently made a horrible trade that in no way, shape or form has made the Bucks a better team.

So yes, Harris has to deal with factors that other GMs do not. But he also has made a number of bad moves on his own that did not need to be made which have, in my opinion, hampered this team's ability to improve.