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I dont know if this will work didnt check it just thought it could be the start to something and wanted to see what everyone thought.

Mo,Cv,Voskuhl(exp.),and possible 1st round pick if needed for Hinrich,Thomas,Sefolosha

gives the bulls a young pf that can score along w. a pg that can score better and helps the bucks improve on defense while giving them a pg that can run a team better and doesnt need to shoot the ball nearly as much

I would definately do this trade without the first round pick, and might even do it if the pick wasn't this years... however I dont see why chicago would do this...

Your reasoning makes sense, scoring PF and scoring PG on a team that needs a more consistent offence... but in terms of trade value there is no way the Bulls would deal Hinrich straight up for Mo, or Thomas straight up for CV, Paxson loves his team to much to alter it for 2 non-allstars. Plus, they throw in a decent backup SF for Voshkul?

So we'd have to throw in the first and then i wouldn't want to do it with this year's pick.

ahagen87 wrote:I dont know if this will work

It doesn't.

What ever could get a trade like this to work DO IT, solves a couple of issues Big fan of Hinrich
It will make us deep possibly too deep where playing time might be a issue

How does this move help the team??

If you want hinrich why not just do Mo + 1 for Hinrich??

There's a reason tyrus thomas is out of favor in Chicago, he's slack - think of Stro Swift and that's why Thomas is looking like becoming. Also, i don't see how he'd like backing up Yi.

Also don't understand how sefolosha would help that much except for a bit of defence and another sf.

Voskuhl is a good backup for bogut. He comes in, plays physical, gives bogut his 10 -15mins rest per game, the comes out.

CV is a valuable pf simply because of his range. He helps spread the floor and open more space for bogut in the paint. He's also shown that when he takes his man off the dribble, and plays aggressive he can be a very good player. He's shown more consistency than tyrus thomas also, and don't be too sure that thomas wouldn't be traded cheaply these days either. He's slack, and the bulls frown upon that, that's why he's actually on the block at the moment.

There's no way this team should give up a 1st round pick either. The next couple years of the draft are looking relatively strong. And if the bucks miss out the playoffs this year, there's plenty of good young guards and forwards that will contribute more the thefolosha.

I don't like this trade at all. Mo has more potential than hinrich IMO. Hinrich has reached his ceiling as a player.

another hypothetical....

that said.

I wise Tyrus would get his shot. Most of the negativity is a beat up.

He has a great handles now. Still needs some work on his shot and needs to refine his knowledge of the sets but he is getting there.

When Thomas said last year th eonly reason he is doing the dunk contest is for the money I knew he would be a bust, no point on trading for a crapy player that still holds value that hes really not worth.

That is just another media beat up. He had already decided to give that money to charity.

Look at all of Sam smith's articles on Thomas and they are all negative.

I don't know if he missed a post drafting interview or something but smith's disdain for Thomas is boehemoth

playmaker24 wrote:How does this move help the team??

We get a quality starting PG who isn't a liability on defense.

BucksRuleAll22 wrote:When Thomas said last year th eonly reason he is doing the dunk contest is for the money I knew he would be a bust, no point on trading for a crapy player that still holds value that hes really not worth.

you can't be serious

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We get a quality starting PG who isn't a liability on defense.

I have a question. If Mo is not worth his contract, how is Hinrich worth his?

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I have a question. If Mo is not worth his contract, how is Hinrich worth his?

Hinrich is struggling this season, but I still think he is a better PG than Mo Williams.. and I would love to see him as our starter.

The Bulls failure to finish extensions for guys like Deng has hurt them this season... and perhaps a change of scenery would help a few of those guys.

My concern regarding Tyrus Thomas has to do with his work ethic. Based on the reports in the media, he hasn't sounded like a guy who is willing to put in the hours necessary to improve his game.. and that worries me.

I would love a Thabo & Hinrich deal though.

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I have a question. If Mo is not worth his contract, how is Hinrich worth his?

I'm not saying that Mo isn't worth his contract.

My issue is that Mo + Redd is a horrific tandem. Both are OK as individuals, but together they are poison.

I like Hinrich, but putting him with Redd solves absolutely nothing.

This cannot be overstated: as long as Redd believes he's the best player on the team, ANY TEAM, that team will be mediocre at best. (For a frame of reference, look up Mitch Richmond's career as alpha dog.)

The Bucks need to trade Redd for pieces that fit with the current players who can, to borrow a phrase from George Karl, respect the game and play the right way.

Addition by subtraction. It seems to be working for Portland.

The problem with Hinrich is that he always has to guard a much bigger #2 because Ben Gordon can't, he simply has been beaten down over the past few years....if I could get Hinrich for Mo I would do it in a heartbeat, i want nothing to do with Thomas and I have been told Sefalosha is a weak, whiny, crybaby. The other guy in Chicago I would really be interested in is Joe Smith, he would be the perfect back-up big man for the Bucks, and from what I heard he liked living here. I also agree with CBQ, we have way to many young players, getting younger isn't the answer, need to sprinkle in a couple vets. This past off season I wanted the Bucks to resign Joe Smith and the trade CV for a quality #3, Harris should hire me as his advisor

xTitan wrote:The problem with Hinrich is that he always has to guard a much bigger #2 because Ben Gordon can't, he simply has been beaten down over the past few years...

So the Bulls resolve this by having Duhon start at the one? Maybe Hinrich can't guard point guards. Maybe they are hiding him. Maybe he's not really a point guard.

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So the Bulls resolve this by having Duhon start at the one? Maybe Hinrich can't guard point guards. Maybe they are hiding him. Maybe he's not really a point guard.

I think you missed XTitan point . He meant the reason Hinrich is wore down is because he has to guard the other teams SG , while Gordon gets to guard the PG's of the other team . Hinrich is a good D player and can guard PG better then he can SG because he doesnt ware down as much .

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I think you missed XTitan point .

No I didn't. The Bulls have other players who can guard SGs. For instance, why not start Hinrich at the one and Sefolosha at the two? No Kirk is guarding PGs.

MY point is maybe Kirk can't handle guarding PGs.

Getting younger is not necessarily going to help or hinder this team. With the right guidance any young team can be successful. Case in Point is the Portland Trailblazers this year.

However, something about tyrus thomas just screams Spoilt, Arrogant and Lazy. I'd prefer CV over him.

As for Mo v Hinrich, lets not forget that mo still has the capability to improve his defence, and is not necessarily a poor defender at the moment. Just the combination of Mo & Redd is poor defensively (IMO because of Redd). Hinrich would also cost the bucks an extra 2mil per year for the next 4 years.

I think we keep moving forward with Mo, because he's shown the ability to take over (scoring) when needed, but also play the facilitator when needed. He's a year younger, and i think i heard one trainer/coach suggest he could be very similar to Chauncey Billups in a cpl years. I'll take that.

Stop with inter-divisional trades with teams this close both in proximity and in the standings.

It is not realistic and you will have to overpay. The Bulls GM Paxson after missing out like a dummy on Gasol, Garnett and Kobe because he did not want to break that team up will not make a risky deal like this.

Harris would perhaps but that is besides the point. However the only guy worth getting from Bulls' is Andres Nocioni. No one else is worth a damn.

So start there if you start at all...and this is a waste of time to even really contemplate...