CV/Simmons/Gadz package

raferfenix · Post #1 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:20 am

We've talked about the pro/con merits of the Knicks trade a lot, but what does the package we offered mean?

Sadly, the fact that we got so close to making that deal probably means we have not been looking seriously at Redd trades, as one or two of those guys surly would be a part of one. Is the Mcgrady speculation over now?

With that in mind, what else could we get for this package besides the knicks deal? Will we end up trading this same group of players?

drew881 · Post #2 » by **drew881** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:22 am

I don't think any other team (other than the knicks) would be willing to take both gadz and simmons with CV. That said, if we send out CV, i think other teams might take one of the other two, but I doubt both.

stellation · Post #3 » by **stellation** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:22 am

Find a way to use any of those kids to get Nocioni here.

Simulack · Post #4 » by **Simulack** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:37 am

stellation wrote:Find a way to use any of those kids to get Nocioni here.

How is that remotely realistic? We are talking about two players with massive negative trade value and a 23 year old whose trade value has gone down over the last year and a half.

stellation · Post #5 » by **stellation** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:22 am

Oh I know it isn't realistic, I'd just love to get Nocioni somehow. I'm willing for us to be big enough to part with all three of those guys to make it happen

raferfenix · Post #6 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:55 pm

If we'd trade Redd I bet we could get nocioni, but with us even considering taking on Randolph that doesn't seem to likely right now.

Or maybe Kohl vetoed the trade and is willing to make a bigger move...could just be my cognitive dissonance kicking in though.

Wise1 · Post #7 » by **Wise1** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:52 pm

Rafer, put something together involving John Salmons. There's a logjam at sf/sg in Sacramento. Salmons has really improved his game and may be had if the Kings are going to hang on to Artest = can't find a team willing to take him.

raferfenix · Post #8 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:04 pm

Here's a good aricle on Salmons---I had no idea he was having such a good year: http://kings.realgm.com/articles/175/20 ... the_catch/

He has every attribute that we could hope for in a SF, however, I'm worried he's a little undersized there (but i'm by no means sure on that). If i'm wrong then I bet we trade a lot for him, as we certrainly could use a smart SF who can D up, score efficiently, pass very well, and generally do the little things.

Let me do my traderfenix thing and see what's up. Considering we are one of the few teams that has a role for Kenny Thomas I can see something working out.

CBUCK06 · Post #9 » by **CBUCK06** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:32 pm

CV for Nocioni? CV and Deng are close from HS and UConn... nevermind.

drew881 · Post #10 » by **drew881** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:46 pm

Wise1 wrote:Rafer, put something together involving John Salmons. There's a logjam at sf/sg in Sacramento. Salmons has really improved his game and may be had if the Kings are going to hang on to Artest = can't find a team willing to take him.

I think the kings would rather keep salmons and trade Artest. I remember some people on this board were messing around with artest/redd trades, but if its true that his stock has dropped, what about a CV/Simmons or Gadz combo for Artest? Call him a psycho, a cancer or whatever you want, but i think that is low risk (considering what we give up).

Mo, Ivey
Redd, Bell
Artest, Mason
Yi, Ruffin
Bogut Voskhul.

=Much better defense. More realistically, we might have to take back one of their bad players like Kenny Thomas. I dont have time to check the salaries right now, but if he has 1 year longer than bobby, it might be a decent swap for them to do something involving those 2, cv and artest.

Kings:

Bibby
Martin,Udrih
Salmons
CV
Miller

Wise1 · Post #11 » by **Wise1** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:29 pm

I don't see Artest as a long term solution though. He's just too unstable to be trusted. Salmons would be a long term solution that wouldn't break the bank.

I agree though, the Kings would rather keep Salmons and trade Artest. If they can't trade him, either Salmons or perhaps Garcia could be had for the right price.

magpies · Post #12 » by **magpies** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:34 pm

stellation wrote:Find a way to use any of those kids to get Nocioni here.

I would love Nocioni here but it would not happen, for me he is the best player on the Bull's list, great all round game and plays defense and has leadership qualities

Neapolitan Buck · Post #13 » by **Neapolitan Buck** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:39 pm

No serious team (so noone except NY) is going to take both Gadz and Bobby without dumping an even worse contract...That why I believe that Randolph is maybe the best we can get for these two combined with CV. Two are the possibilities: We keep them until their contracts end, or we trade them for a huge contract, like Randolph's one is.

kebzach · Post #14 » by **kebzach** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:47 am

stellation wrote:Find a way to use any of those kids to get Nocioni here.

You think that the Bulls would sign him to a 5 year deal, then trade him, as a base year player, for any combination of that junk?

Seriously?

Really?

stellation · Post #15 » by **stellation** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:47 am

magpies wrote:I would love Nocioni here but it would not happen, for me he is the best player on the Bull's list, great all round game and plays defense and has leadership qualities

We could try to give 'em CV + Bobby or CV + Dan and you never know, they might fall for it... maybe? Okay, I know they won't

I agree that he is the best player on the Bulls because of his complete game, I rate him higher than Deng... he plays like a guy that wants his team to win.