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For all the talk about the Suns possibly placing Marion or Stoudamire on the block this year, why not Boris Diaw?

I'm pretty sure Phoenix would listen if we offered Bobby Simmons and Charlie Villanueva for Diaw and Tucker. Why? Diaw's contract runs two seasons longer than Simmons' does (a critical point for Phoenix if they're serious about bringing back Marion) and it gives the Suns more size up front, allowing them to play Marion more at small forward.

For the Bucks, Diaw would be a great fit. He's versatile, athletic, a great ball handler, and doesn't need to take a lot of shots. He'd also be a better defender at the 3 spot than we currently have. The biggest impact he'd have on this team is that he would be a major facilitator on offense. I guarantee that with Diaw, our offense would have a better flow and less turnovers. I also would guess that our defense and rebounding would be better (Diaw better than Simmons, more playing time for Ruffin at PF instead of Charlie V)

Wade-A-Holic wrote:For all the talk about the Suns possibly placing Marion or Stoudamire on the block this year, why not Boris Diaw?

I'm pretty sure Phoenix would listen if we offered Bobby Simmons and Charlie Villanueva for Diaw and Tucker. Why? Diaw's contract runs two seasons longer than Simmons' does (a critical point for Phoenix if they're serious about bringing back Marion) and it gives the Suns more size up front, allowing them to play Marion more at small forward.

For the Bucks, Diaw would be a great fit. He's versatile, athletic, a great ball handler, and doesn't need to take a lot of shots. He'd also be a better defender at the 3 spot than we currently have. The biggest impact he'd have on this team is that he would be a major facilitator on offense. I guarantee that with Diaw, our offense would have a better flow and less turnovers. I also would guess that our defense and rebounding would be better (Diaw better than Simmons, more playing time for Ruffin at PF instead of Charlie V)

I was thinking the exact same thing today, but was unable to get a trade to go thru the checker due to Diaw's BYC status, which I'll admit, I don't understand completely.


But if Sarver is serious about keeping his core intact, a Diaw/Tucker for Simmons/Villanueva swap could be beneficial to both teams.

I'd do it for sure

Diaw isn't very good. He has had one very good year surrounded by inconsistency.

Oh I wasn't even aware he had BYC status. That complicates things quite a bit.

My basic point in regards to bringing in Diaw, or someone similar, is that we absolutely CANNOT bring in somebody who is only a defender. We need a dynamic small forward who can defend, pass, and shoot consistently. I realize Diaw isn't a great shooter, but his ballhandling and distributing skills would help us a lot. It would be a big mistake to bring in a guy like Pietrus and think he's going to make a difference. He might help defensively a bit, but the offense will continue to turn the ball over at a high rate and go through dry spells.

LUKE23 wrote:Diaw isn't very good. He has had one very good year surrounded by inconsistency.

When they asked him to handle the ball and be aggressive, he did great. When Stoudamire came back, they took the ball out of his hands. He's much less effective without the ball in his hands.

as a Purdue alum, i am constantly asked is that QB or WR actually good or is he just a product of purdue's system? Some times the player is actually good, and sometimes he's not.

So I'l l ask the same about Diaw. is he really any good or just a product of the Suns' system? At what position do you envision the Bucks using Diaw? I know he's as versitle as Tony Kukoc was. how good would he be at SF?

wade................is that you? they said you were to busy.............

We all love diaw but there is no trade that would work out.

I'd rather have a 3 who can play some D and shoot three pointers. I'll say that about our 2 as well... A 2,3 who can play D and shoot threes. A year or two down the line, play through a developed Bogut and Yi and get the inside/out game to Mo, 2, 3 to shoot open shots.

Does Diaw play good defense? I've heard otherwise from the rest of RealGM boards if i remember correctly. And the suns don't really play D anyway so who knows. I'd rather take a player who has established himself in a system more like ours (with obvious exceptions of great players), than try to mold someone to our system and hope it works.

Actually, CV and Gadz for Diaw, Tucker, Strawberry, and Piatkowski works, and that is a trade I believe the Suns would except. There main weakness is paint defense, and Gadz actually provides some measure of that, as well as having the physical talents to work in the Suns system.

If I was the Bucks, I'd ignore the fact that Diaw has a 5 year deal at $9+ million a year, because the guy is versitile enough to play 3 frontcourt positions. Right now, we are totally lacking quality players for those positions. I'd much prefer a Diaw deal, to a Randolph deal.

Bucks_Revenge wrote:wade................is that you? they said you were to busy.............

We all love diaw but there is no trade that would work out.

Of course its him, what the hell kind of question is that?

As for the trade, I guess i might go for it, especially to get rid of Simmons, not sure why Phoenix would though, i thought their main objective was to dump salary. I know you said his contract is shorter, but still that doesnt help them anytime soon.

That contract is ugly....$45 million bucks......

He's a one year wonder that is not the "jump out of the gym" type athlete we need at the SF spot to compliment Bogut and Yi IMO.

If Bobby returns to even 75% form, we've got a player as good as Diaw and we only have two-years left on his contract.

The Bucks need athelticism, intelligence, defensive presence, and the ability to shoot at the 1,2, and 3......they also need someone who is unselfish enough to run the offense....they need alot....that contract prohibts me from wanting Diaw.

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Of course its him, what the hell kind of question is that?

As for the trade, I guess i might go for it, especially to get rid of Simmons, not sure why Phoenix would though, i thought their main objective was to dump salary. I know you said his contract is shorter, but still that doesnt help them anytime soon.

I disagree 100000000000000000000000%

Bucks_Revenge wrote:wade................is that you? they said you were to busy.............

We all love diaw but there is no trade that would work out.

Too busy to be sifting through and reading all the threads and contribute as a poster... Howard Mass and I agreed it would be best if I retired for now so that I'm able to contribute as a poster. He said I'm welcome to return as a moderator if I ever get more time on my hands again.

Diaw is ballin' as of right now! I hope we keep him now

Don't want his contract personally.

What about Gadz and Bell for Diaw and a future 1st (PHX gives them away like candy)!

Wade-A-Holic wrote:For all the talk about the Suns possibly placing Marion or Stoudamire on the block this year, why not Boris Diaw?

I'm pretty sure Phoenix would listen if we offered Bobby Simmons and Charlie Villanueva for Diaw and Tucker. Why? Diaw's contract runs two seasons longer than Simmons' does (a critical point for Phoenix if they're serious about bringing back Marion) and it gives the Suns more size up front, allowing them to play Marion more at small forward.

For the Bucks, Diaw would be a great fit. He's versatile, athletic, a great ball handler, and doesn't need to take a lot of shots. He'd also be a better defender at the 3 spot than we currently have. The biggest impact he'd have on this team is that he would be a major facilitator on offense. I guarantee that with Diaw, our offense would have a better flow and less turnovers. I also would guess that our defense and rebounding would be better (Diaw better than Simmons, more playing time for Ruffin at PF instead of Charlie V)

Diaw plays PF and C in Phoenix, not SF. He is/was such a good player in Phoenix because he can handle big men reasonably well on defense, but is too quick for them on offense. His lateral quickness is only average for a SF.

With the Suns he has room to operate on offense, because he's surrounded by shooters. On a team with Bogut in the low post, that might not be as easy.

So far he has only been succesful as a PF/C on a team that let him handle the ball a lot. He was a bust in Atlanta, and has not been very succesful in Phoenix with Amare and Hill taking away his touches. I love him as a player, but putting him at SF on this team is very, very risky.

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I disagree 100000000000000000000000%

Thats because you're you.

paulpressey25 wrote:That contract is ugly....$45 million bucks......

He's a one year wonder that is not the "jump out of the gym" type athlete we need at the SF spot to compliment Bogut and Yi IMO.

If Bobby returns to even 75% form, we've got a player as good as Diaw and we only have two-years left on his contract.

I agree. Rather than take a chance on someone with a big contract who might be good for us in the 3, I'd rather stick with our current 3 with a big contract who might be good for us. Bobby has shown good signs in the past month imo, if he can get back to somewhere near his peak he will be exactly what we need in that spot. Trading him now means getting no value for him.