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We first got this info from BuckSkinsFan and now Woelfel has confirmed through his sources that the Bucks are trying to acquire Marvin Williams (we've also been told the Bucks have a strong interest in Acie Law). Now, this could end up going absolutely nowhere. I'm sure there are a number of players the Bucks would like to trade for and never will. But in this instance, I think the two teams have pieces the other could want.

The Hawks are trying to find a PG and while they showed no interest in Mo last summer, perhaps their feelings about him have changed or maybe if they strike out trying to get someone like Miller or Bibby, they'd be willing to settle for Mo as a last resort. They have a glut of SF type players so even though Williams is playing well, they could afford to deal him and not suffer a huge drop-off in production.

I'll continue to push for the following trade:

Mo/Villanueva

FOR

Marvin/Claxton

I think it's a deal that clearly benefits the Bucks given how Marvin would be a major upgrade at SF and it could help the Hawks if they believe Mo is a starting PG for their vastly improved team. The Bucks would suffer a downgrade at PG but I think the combination of Bell, Ivey and Sessions could get the team by until the draft, which has a number of strong PG prospects.

Discuss.

really europa...your really going to make a thread about this..

europa wrote:Discuss.

The hyperbole you use when talking about Mo makes me sick.

"The Hawks are trying to find a PG and while they showed no interest in Mo last summer, perhaps their feelings about him have changed or maybe if they strike out trying to get someone like Miller or Bibby, they'd be willing to settle for Mo as a last resort."

I haven't paid attention that much to Marvin, does he defend?

If not, my interest in him would be tempered greatly

That's a lot to give up for one player. After that deal we have three small forwards who want to start and no point guard. Acie Law would have to be included.


It would also be nice if we could dump Gadzuric on them

Also, we'd be getting fleeced in that trade.

Give Charlie 16 more minutes a game (36 is what Marvin gets), and he would be putting up 16/6/2.

So that makes it Mo for Claxton?

Marvin has fat ass and shot jumpers most of the time. He is nothing speciall really. How much better he is than CV? Not so much IMO.

I heard Woeful talk about this on the Doug Russell show as well as BuckSkinsFan talk about this. I would love Marvin, I really like the way he's progressed, especially with the other 19 small fowards Atlanta he has to compete with over the past few years.

Would I do CV and Mo for Marvin and Claxton? Probably. But like you said, we downgrade at the point guard position, but upgrade drastically at the SF position.

Claxton
Redd
Williams
Yi
Bogut
----
Simmons
Bell
Ivey

The problem is we again break up the nucleus. Although, this nucleus kind of blows, so I wouldn't mind.

I'm on board.

DH34Phan wrote:
Give Charlie 16 more minutes a game (36 is what Marvin gets), and he would be putting up 16/6/2.

Even more really. I wouldn't trade CV for Marvin straight up

Sigra wrote:Marvin has fat ass and shot jumpers most of the time. He is nothing speciall really. How much better he is than CV? Not so much IMO.

DH34Phan wrote:Also, we'd be getting fleeced in that trade.

Give Charlie 16 more minutes a game (36 is what Marvin gets), and he would be putting up 16/6/2.

So that makes it Mo for Claxton?

I like Marvin Williams a lot and I like the idea of adding him, but that's a really great point.

Mo alone is worth at least Marvin Williams IMO. Not sure why Charlie needs to be included.

DH34Phan wrote:The hyperbole you use when talking about Mo makes me sick.

Bugs me as well.

Law plays a lot like Mo Williams by the way, so anyone hoping he would come in and be a pass first defensive point guard would be mistaken. He's a gritty competitive player, but he likes to shoot it.

I maybe would consider:

Mo
CV
Gadz

for

Marvin
Claxton
Zaza

Only way I do this is if Claxton can play for us. We can't give Mo and CV away for one player.

We get a nice salary dump in Gadz, replacing him with a more productive player.

BuckFan25226 wrote:I heart Woeful

that's all i was able to get from your post...Blake has a crush on woeful.

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Even more really. I wouldn't trade CV for Marvin straight up

What sort of Eastern European substance are you smoking, Sigra?

CV is going to sit on our bench and rot behind Yi, and is perhaps the team's worst defender. (it's a close race between he and Mo)

Getting rid of our two worst defensive pieces wouldn't be all bad.

That being said, I'd prefer Childress to Williams. He brings the intangibles that we need.

Chuck Diesel wrote:Law plays a lot like Mo Williams by the way, so anyone hoping he would come in and be a pass first defensive point guard would be mistaken. He's a gritty competitive player, but he likes to shoot it.

i was thinking the same thing...when he was A & M, he did a lot of shooting. I like Marvin Williams and I don't think Mo is the PG for this team...that being said, i think we give up too much unless Claxton has a good contract situation (expiring?). This team needs direction at the point.

While CV has been playing better, he's just not a small foward, he never will be. He is arguably the worst defensive player in the entire league. He's not strong enough to play power foward on both ends. And he's not quick enough and doesn't have the perimeter game to play small foward. Marvin has the ability to play both positions if needed. Marvin is a much better defender then CV, shoots better from the field and is a very good slasher. He's just a better player all the way around, not to mention he's 2 years younger then CV.

75totheMACCfund wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




i was thinking the same thing...when he was A & M, he did a lot of shooting. I like Marvin Williams and I don't think Mo is the PG for this team...that being said, i think we give up too much unless Claxton has a good contract situation (expiring?). This team needs direction at the point.

Claxton has a bad contract since he never plays, is owed 11 million over the next two years.

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Claxton has a bad contract since he never plays, is owed 11 million over the next two years.

Well we need to take back some salary dollars to make up for the fact that Mo + CV make about $10M and Marvin Williams makes $4.5M.

I also would consider:

Mo
CV
Gadz

for

Marvin
Acie Law
Zaza (1 year left)
Lorenzen Wright (expiring)

Still think we are giving up too much, but at least we get a young PG in return.