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1:51 Sebastian Telfair personal foul (Paul Pierce draws the foul) 86-81
1:51 86-81 Kevin Garnett enters the game for Tony Allen
1:51 86-82 Paul Pierce makes free throw 1 of 2
1:51 86-83 Paul Pierce makes free throw 2 of 2
1:27 Rashad McCants misses 22-foot two point shot 86-83
1:24 Al Jefferson offensive rebound 86-83
1:01 Ryan Gomes misses 4-foot jumper 86-83
1:00 86-83 Kevin Garnett defensive rebound
0:59 86-83 Paul Pierce traveling
0:45 Al Jefferson misses hook shot 86-83
0:44 86-83 Kevin Garnett defensive rebound
0:37 Boston full timeout
0:37 Marko Jaric enters the game for Rashad McCants 86-83
0:30 86-83 Al Jefferson blocks Paul Pierce's 3-foot jumper
0:29 86-83 Kevin Garnett offensive rebound
0:26 86-83 Kevin Garnett misses layup
0:25 86-83 Paul Pierce misses layup
0:26 86-83 Paul Pierce offensive rebound
0:24 86-83 Paul Pierce offensive rebound
0:23 86-85 Paul Pierce makes layup
0:23 Minnesota 20 Sec. timeout
0:23 turnover 86-85
0:23 Boston 20 Sec. timeout
0:23 86-85 Eddie House enters the game for Rajon Rondo
0:17 86-85 Ray Allen misses layup
0:17 86-85 Kendrick Perkins offensive rebound
0:16 86-87 Kendrick Perkins makes two point shot
0:16 Minnesota full timeout
0:16 86-87 Rajon Rondo enters the game for Eddie House
0:16 Rashad McCants enters the game for Corey Brewer 86-87
0:16 Minnesota 20 Sec. timeout
0:10 86-87 Kendrick Perkins personal foul (Al Jefferson draws the foul)
0:01 Sebastian Telfair lost ball (Kevin Garnett steals) 86-87
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter
0:00 End Game




Pathetic. Even more so than the Bucks.

If you are talking about the fact the Wolves are making it no secret they are tanking I'd say the Bucks are still more pathetic because we have a max player and (I would assume) a much higher overall payroll and will be competing with the Wolves for the top pick in the draft late in the draft lottery.

Besides the Wolves are smart and are starting from scratch and made it no secret the moment they traded away KG they where going to tank this season.

The Bucks are paying worthless players big money and Bucks fans where told by the front office prior to the season that this was a playoff team.

I realize he's young and has a way to go.....but I'm starting to gear up to call Al Jefferson a 20/10 stats fraud pretty soon......

A 20/10 big man's team should do better than this.....

How did the Wolves turn the ball over in less than one second?

Seriously, how can you tell if the T-Wolves are tanking? Could they even win 22 games if they weren't tanking.

InsideOut wrote:Seriously, how can you tell if the T-Wolves are tanking? Could they even win 22 games if they weren't tanking.

Giving up 4 offensive rebounds while having 2 TOs in under 30 seconds is a good start.

WEFFPIM wrote:How did the Wolves turn the ball over in less than one second?

brewer in some kind of inbound violation.

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Giving up 4 offensive rebounds while having 2 TOs in under 30 seconds is a good start.

Hey, the Bucks do that in the 4th quarter of every close game.

brewer didn't get the ball in within the alloted 5 seconds

WEFFPIM wrote:How did the Wolves turn the ball over in less than one second?

It was a 5 second violation.

I am a Wolves fan but I read your threads often because I am from WI. The Wolves played their hearts out tonight against a top team in the league.

paulpressey- Jefferson is far from a fraud. You do know that our starting pg has been out all year and our starting center has been out for most of it, right?

paulpressey25 wrote:I realize he's young and has a way to go.....but I'm starting to gear up to call Al Jefferson a 20/10 stats fraud pretty soon......

A 20/10 big man's team should do better than this.....

What about Elton Brand?

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What about Elton Brand?

Don't forget our buddy Zach Randolph.

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Don't forget our buddy Zach Randolph.

Umm, Zach is a stats whore or whatever he said. Elton isnt, that was my point/ question for him.

Garnett was a 20-10 guy the last couple years. Didn't matter.

midranger wrote:Garnett was a 20-10 guy the last couple years. Didn't matter.

KG is the ultimate example of how much of a team sport it is. Last season he posted 22-13-4, 53% FG%, and All-D caliber defense and his team wins 33 games.

In Shaq's rookie year he took a pile of junk Orlando team to I think 42 wins.......

I know he's not Shaq....but when he was on the Celtics, Bill Simmons kept fawning over him as the next Moses Malone....well Malone took a team with himself and four CBA players to the NBA finals in 1981.

Tim Duncan....do we see Tim Duncan on that T-Wolves team having only seven wins at this point?

I think the Wolves record with Garnett last year had more to do with KG just being tired and going through the motions than KG's talent. And 32-33 wins is better than the 14 win pace they are on right now.

I just think the guy is closer to Zach Randolph than a top-5 C or PF in this league.....At some point great big men put their teams on their back and reel off 4 or 5 wins on their own grit and talent. I've never seen that from Big Al.

If Bogut can somehow maintain even his January pace for the rest of his career, I'd take him over Big Al hands down.

You realize the guy was 22 at the start of this month? His rebounding and scoring has gotten way better every year. He plays for a team that has been missing Foye and Ratliff for like forever. You may turn out to be right but I think it's a little soon to be knocking him for not being a Shaq, Malone, Duncan, KG and for not winning with the worst team in the league which also happends to be missing 2 of its starters for almost all of the season. I mean look what Wade is doing in Miami.

paulpressey25 wrote:I think the Wolves record with Garnett last year had more to do with KG just being tired and going through the motions than KG's talent. And 32-33 wins is better than the 14 win pace they are on right now.

I just think the guy is closer to Zach Randolph than a top-5 C or PF in this league.....At some point great big men put their teams on their back and reel off 4 or 5 wins on their own grit and talent. I've never seen that from Big Al.

The two best players on that team, besides Garnett, were Ricky Davis and Mike James. No real center or point guard. 32 wins is/was commendable.

Big men that can do that, play defense and pass out of double teams. Jefferson and Randolph don't. I'll take Bogut as well.

The Bucks should be make it priority #1 that the rest of this lost season is dedicated to feeding Bogut in the low post. A dominant big man is the corner stone of a contender.

Rockmaninoff wrote:Big men that can do that, play defense. Jefferson and Randolph don't.

I've think you've hit the nail on the head there.....that's the missing link I couldn't find in my brain box.....

I'm only critiquing Jefferson in reference to some of the plaudits that have been sent his way the last year. i.e. that he's either Moses Malone now or will be in the next season or so. The Wolves this year and Boston last year are/were two terrible teams....even with Pierce last year before the tanking, Jefferson and the C's were horrible.

Legit impact 20/10 big team improve their teams substantially more than Al has......

Well the Bucks are in some deep trouble then because Jefferson > Bogut.