If not LK, then who?

[Asher]

if krystowiak can't get it done, who can? who is going to raise their hand to take the milwaukee head coaching job with a handcuffed gm, meddling owner, and unmanageable/untradeable roster? the past few years since karl left have seen porter, stotts, and LK. is it obvious kohl won't hire a top coaching talent, or obvious that a top coaching talent won't come, or both? without setting back the learning curve again, is there somebody who can make this current roster work?

[blkout]

JVG

[dunhill]

JVG

QFT

[MickeyDavis]

JVG isn't going to come here. And Kohl wouldn't pay him.

[Asher]

JVG isn't going to come here. And Kohl wouldn't pay him.

exactly. i don't see a change anywhere without a new gm AND coach--that kohl trusts. anything else is lateral movement.

[blkout]

Regardless, they need to stop hiring these rookie/unsuccessful/inexperienced NBA coaches. Maybe one in ten will turn into some sort of coaching messiah, but it wouldn't kill anyone to hire someone established.

[MickeyDavis]

I agree completely, I just can't see it happening any time soon. We need a COMPLETE overhaul, owner/GM/coach. An owner who will let the GM make all of the basketball decisions and a GM who is free to hire the coach he wants, not who is a local guy (Porter), a cheap guy (Stotts) or a favorite of the owner from 20 years ago (LK).

[dunhill]

I just want a disciplinarian. Someone with a bit of clout that tells the players how to play not vice versa.

[Asher]

I agree completely, I just can't see it happening any time soon. We need a COMPLETE overhaul, owner/GM/coach. An owner who will let the GM make all of the basketball decisions and a GM who is free to hire the coach he wants, not who is a local guy (Porter), a cheap guy (Stotts) or a favorite of the owner from 20 years ago (LK).

local, cheap, or favorite, one thing is constant: they're all cheap hires (aka inexperienced/incompetent). i agree the owner should go, but that probably won't happen.

[MickeyDavis]

In fairness to Kohl he did make two very expensive coaching hires.

First he hired Dunleavy to an 8 year, $8 million contract (huge money at the time). Not only that but he lured Dunleavy away from the Lakers, it was a big surprise in the NBA.

When that didn't work out (mostly because Dunleavy became the default GM), he went cheap with Ford but then made Karl the highest paid (at the time) coach in ANY team sport. Now he's gone back to cheap.

[rilamann]

MD is exactly right,Herb isnt going to put out big $$$ for a solid proven head coach.

The thing with Kohl is hes the type of owner who spend some money on players but not on a coach.

If you ask me that is ass backwards,if it was my team i'd make sure I had a rock solid coach in place before I even started to think about dishing out big money to players.

Its waste of time and money to sign players for big money only to have the players coached by someone who doesnt know what they are doing.

And then you have to fire the guy and take a chance on the next unproven coach you just hired and then players have readjust and all that.

Its a vicious circle that wastes everyones time and money.

The vicious circle could be stopped by simply spending a little extra money to get a proven coach,I guess Herb Kohl cant see that.

The NBA is league of consistiency and continuity and its impossible to establish those two key factors when you have a new coach every other year.

Herb Kohl is prototypical NBA owner who has to have his hand in everything and has to have the final say in everything despite not having slightest clue whatsoever on how to build a basketball team.

It also doesnt help that Kohl is also the prototypical boss who will hire a friend over the more qualified guy for the job.

[Asher]

In fairness to Kohl he did make two very expensive coaching hires.

yes, absolutely he did--when he had a team he believed in. do you think he appointed porter/stotts/krystowiak because he thought they would win him a title?

[MickeyDavis]

With Karl yes but not Dunleavy. Dunleavy's first team went 28-54 and featured Brickowski, Edwards, Murdock, Day, Roberts, Avent, Schayes, etc... that was a far worse team than we have now. The second year they won only 20 games.

[Asher]

dunleavy's team wasn't expected to do a whole lot, i agree, but there was a sense of optimism around them. todd day was supposed to be a great shooter/scorer who could lead the team. murdock and blue edwards were expected to be good. the rest of them were considered role players. but you're right, they ended up sucking.

[rilamann]

In fairness to Kohl he did make two very expensive coaching hires.

First he hired Dunleavy to an 8 year, $8 million contract (huge money at the time). Not only that but he lured Dunleavy away from the Lakers, it was a big surprise in the NBA.

When that didn't work out (mostly because Dunleavy became the default GM), he went cheap with Ford but then made Karl the highest paid (at the time) coach in ANY team sport. Now he's gone back to cheap.

Hiring George Karl was by far the best move Herb Kohl ever made and I remember I said that the moment I heard the news Karl was hired by the Bucks.

I never been more hyped over a move by the Bucks than when I heard the news we got George Karl.I was more hyped over Karl hire than when we won the lottery in 94 & 05

And I wouldnt say Herb hired Karl because Herb had a team he belived in,when Karl was hired by the Bucks the Bucks had a streak of 7 consecutive trips to the lottery.

I think it had more to with Herb beliving in Karl.

I just think its funny the one time Kohl went out and spent some money on a solid proven coach we returned to the playoffs after 7 years and had our best stretch in the last 20 years.

As for Dunleavy that was a stupid move and a typical move of an owner who didnt know what the hell he was doing.

The Bucks didn't lure him away from the Lakers the Lakers where probably laughing their ass when the Bucks offered him that contract.

All dunleavy did was ride the coatails of a vetran Lakers team to the NBA finals,and it figured the clueless Milwaukee Bucks with their cluless owner where impressed by that.

[paul]

JVG

Seconded. Pay him and he'll come, maybe.....

[More Bang For The Bucks]

1 JVG
2 Carlisle


Dump Redd for expirings before the deadline. Who would want to do that and stay 8-10 mil or so under the cap next year to pay the coach if we could have one of them? Draft Redds replacement with the lottery pick.

[dunhill]

I don't want a Redd replacement. I want a complete player who hustles, is nselfish and is smart

[rilamann]

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Seconded. Pay him and he'll come, maybe.....

Herb Kohl proved that if the money is right its very possible for a small market team to get a solid proven ''big name'' coach.

Its a lot different than with players.

It has a lot to do with the situation too.

As we all know its almost impossible for the Bucks to attract quality free agents but if the Bucks where a perenial 50+ win team that was making long playoff runs every year like the Bucks did in the 80's for example free agents would be much much more willing to play here.

A good example of that is actually Anthony Mason,granted Mason somehow became a fat washed up slob on his way Miami to Milwaukee but keep in mind at the time the Bucks signed Mase he was comming off an all star season on a 50 win team.

Had the Bucks not been on the brink of the NBA finals the year before Mase would have never considered comming to Milwaukee.

[rilamann]

Don't ask me why I went OT with the free agent thing there ^^ haha.