Any way that we won't see a major move soon?

[Debit One]

I see no way, no way at all, that the Bucks won't make a major move within the next thirty days. If I'm Herb Kohl I simply have to give Bucks fans some reason for hope ... some reason to remain interested.

The options, and my assessment of the probabilities:

- Fire Larry Harris (50%) I think that this is the most likely move at this point in time. The reason is that I cannot see HK extending LH's deal beyond this season, and why would he make major player moves without the new GM having input on those? Giving LH the ax, getting a new GM in place, and letting the new GM make his moves in the off season makes a lot of sense. Face it, this season is lost anyway, and none of the guys who we might trade is on an expiring contract, so there is no urgency to make a player move.

- Trade CV, Gadz or Simmons (35%) I could see HK agreeing to a deal where one or move of these guys is moved if it for guys with shorter contracts. CV only gets included if is needed in order to dump either Gadz or Simmons. You could argue that nothing in this category qualifies as a major move.

- Trade Mo Williams or Michael Redd (13%) This is the sort of move that I think you don't make unless your GM for the future is in place, and I just don't think that LH is HK's guy going forward. As much as I would like to see the Bucks get on with breaking up this tandem, my guess is that nothing happens until the off season.

- Fire LK (2%) Like many of you, I question LK's rotations, etc., but I can't imagine that HK feels that LK is the biggest problem in the organization. I also cannot see him firing LK so soon after giving him a multi-year contract.

[dunhill]

I am starting to really really worry the AB is the one being shopped. Far more valuable, far easier to move in a package with a bad contract.

[bayrdbandit]

I am starting to really really worry the AB is the one being shopped. Far more valuable, far easier to move in a package with a bad contract.

are you nuts? for starters, according to the rest of the league bogut doesn't have a lot of value, he's widely regarded as an average center. we know the truth, but let's keep it a secret.

bogut is one of the only players on this team that give bucks fans any hope for the future. there is no hope in hell that he's going to be traded. he is the only untouchable one on the team me thinks.

[dunhill]

I was just wondering how you go from offensive afterthought to focal point (I always expected Mo to get the shots while Redd was out) and it's right around trade deadline too.

I can think of 1/2 a dozen teams at least where they don't have a legit centre (have a PF masqerading as centre), have an aging option at that position or have a complete bum most of them having lottery picks/cap room/unwanted talent.

It's not something I want to happen but lets be honest here, how many teams are willing to take 15mil for bench players, how many teams is Redd/mo an upgrade at the 2 pls a bad contract? I think maybe 3

[bayrdbandit]

I was just wondering how you go from offensive afterthought to focal point (I always expected Mo to get the shots while Redd was out) and it's right around trade deadline too.

I can think of 1/2 a dozen teams at least where they don't have a legit centre (have a PF masqerading as centre), have an aging option at that position or have a complete bum most of them having lottery picks/cap room/unwanted talent.

It's not something I want to happen but lets be honest here, how many teams are willing to take 15mil for bench players, how many teams is Redd/mo an upgrade at the 2 pls a bad contract? I think maybe 3

bogut became the focal point when redd was out injured. it was the perfect time to make him that focal point without rocking the boat too much. when he saw it was working quite well, lk stuck with it.

i would say there would be 20 teams that would like bogut on their roster. he would be fairly easy to ship, though i don't think you'd get value for him yet. and beside, a solid center is the kind of player you build around, not trade unless there was major issues and the issues we've seen i don't think involve bogut being difficult.

redd is an upgrade at the 2 for most teams in this league because he is flat-out one of the best shooters in the world. put him in the right situation - perhaps where he can accept playing second fiddle to a superstar - and you've got yourself a deal.

bogut is not going anywhere, don't get too cynical.
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[bayrdbandit]

I was just wondering how you go from offensive afterthought to focal point (I always expected Mo to get the shots while Redd was out) and it's right around trade deadline too.

mo all along has said he wants the team to play team-ball, he's determined to play this game the right way. that's why i think a lot of people are siding with mo at this stage. he knows what is best for the team and he knows his role. if coach says get the ball inside, he'll do it.

[Movieman]

Why would they let a GM, who will probably be let go after the season ends, make a major move?

[Sideways]

Why would they let a GM, who will probably be let go after the season ends, make a major move?

The Gm won't be let go. He owns the team.

[Movieman]

Kohl as a owner -

- Is a US Senator and very hands on owner, but avoids the public spotlight. Usually this type of owner, especially a politician, is out there getting his name in the papers or on TV taking credit or placing blame for something. Kohl avoids the press like the plague.

- Generally speaking, he isn't cheap. He pays his players. At the same time he cuts corners everywhere else. Hires cheap inexperienced coaches & GMS. Even though when he paid for a top coach and GM (Karl & Grunnfeld) he had his most success.

-He refuses to sell the team, because he knows whoever buys it will move the team because of the arena problem. At the same time refuses to make any more than token effort to get a arena built with public funds, but won't build a arena himself.

He's everything you want and everything you hate about sports team owners all wrapped up in one person. A owner who rarely wins, is making his team irrelevant, but still is popular enough to continually get re-elected. Most people like him.

What other owner is like this?

[Debit One]

Can I revise my %s after reading the details of the locker room incident?

[WEFFPIM]

Oh, I can still see nothing happening because no one is pressuring them to do anything. On the wiretap it says that LH is disappointed with the team, but still believe they'll make the playoffs.

No, no they won't. But no one is telling him this, so he's just sitting back and being disappointed.

[Sigra]

No, no they won't.

They could and yet I don't care

[xTitan]

Doubtful there will be any trades at all, none of value. Harris is basically a piece of driftwood floating down the river right now.

[LUKE23]

My money is on no moves. This is a reactive organization, not a proactive organization. They are just going to "hope" it gets better.

One thing I will say, I don't want moves made for the sake of making them. If we're going to move Mo or Redd we need good value back and it has to be worth it. Gadz and Simmons, I'll trade them for pretty much anything.

[fam3381]

I am starting to really really worry the AB is the one being shopped. Far more valuable, far easier to move in a package with a bad contract.

What good does it do the Bucks if they give up their best young player in order to get rid of bad contracts? So they can rebuild around Redd or Mo or whatever scrapheap is left? That's the one thing we know doesn't really work.

I don't see any real logic here. Every published report talks about how Bogut and Yi are the guys who are sticking around. No one's untradable, but what do you accomplish by trading Bogut? Gadzuric and Simmons are overpaid, but they're not cancers or forcing us into mediocrity by themselves.

[LUKE23]

If either or Bogut or Yi are moved I'd be pretty much done with this organization. I doubt either are going anywhere. I think everyone else would be moved if it made sense.

But like I said, I expect no moves and just hope that it gets better, at least until the offseason.

[Simulack]

What about Lamar Odom? His names obviously been involved in constant trade rumors for years and Lakers fans appear ready to get this guy out of town:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=753595

Would they have an interest in Mo Williams?

Mo Williams, Charlie Villanueva, Bobby Simmons, and Voskuhl for Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown?

If we are want to clear the slate for a new GM, that might be a good way to start. Would LA do this? Depends on what they think they will get from CV since their 4 spot is then CV/Turiaf.

[bayrdbandit]

^^ or richard jefferson? we know things aren't working in new jersey and they may be looking to start all over again. how about trading redd and jefferson - we need a small forward, and redd seems to really respect jason kidd. i think the nets fans want to get rid of vince from the 2 spot anyway.

[Simulack]

Probably makes more sense to switch Simmons with Gadz. Kwame's been terrible so I'm not sure losing him hurts that much even with Bynum's injury. I'm not sure losing him really hurts.

But Gadz would at least give them another guy who can play center until Bynum returns.

[paulpressey25]

Probably makes more sense to switch Simmons with Gadz. Kwame's been terrible so I'm not sure losing him hurts that much even with Bynum's injury. .

Kwame makes $9mm. Odom makes $13mm. That is a ton of salary going out.....we'd have to load up Mo, Gadz, CV and Simmons to pull that off.

But I like the thinking since the Lakers are a team that might be talked into giving up something like that to get Redd or Mo as an offensive piece for a playoff run.