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I think there are a variety that might work out, despite us being in the same division. Here are a few that definitley could be tweaked, but I think both teams would strongly consider them:

Bucks trade: Mo Williams, Bobby Simmons, Charlie Villanueva
Pacers trade: Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Jammal Tinsley

or

Bucks trade: Michael Redd, Charlie Villanueva, Dan Gadzuric
Pacers trade: Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Marquis Daniels, Travis Diener


I think the Pacers are a good team for us to trade with because their coach loves three point shooting and our team has a horrible excess of guys who like to jack them. Granger also would be a near perfect fit at the 3 for us, and I think we could get a ton out of Murphy as well. Troy may be overpaid, but he's a hard worker who can score down low, and I bet he'd really earn his minutes here. Harris also had targeted him before, so we know he's a fan (though who knows if he has any say any more).

I bet that Bucks fans looking for cap space won't like either of these. After how we've done in the last two summers where we had cap space though, I'm surprised anyone is willing to give up value for that now. Taking on Tinsley would be especially risky for us despite that, but he is the kind of pass first PG we've been desperate for, and a change of scenery really might help him out (plus it'd help us dump simmons).

I'm not sure which of these I prefer, but at this point I'd pull the trigger on either of them. Both are risky, but I think this team is desperate for a big change, and if we're going to get a talent like Granger and dump a bad contract we're going to have to take a risk like one of these.

Would do the first, not the second.

Do you think that a team that is in direct competition with the Bucks for a playoff spot is going to want to trade with them?

kebzach wrote:Do you think that a team that is in direct competition with the Bucks for a playoff spot is going to want to trade with them?

Considering both teams look years away from being a real good team even after making dramatic personnel changes, yes, I do.

Both teams also have a variety of overpaid players that are horrible fits and need a change of scenery as well. Both teams being able to find uses in the others' trash is a major reason why I can see a deal going down despite being in the same divsion too.

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Considering both teams look years away from being a real good team even after making dramatic personnel changes, yes, I do.

Both teams also have a variety of overpaid players that are horrible fits and need a change of scenery as well. Both teams being able to find uses in the others' trash is a major reason why I can see a deal going down despite being in the same divsion too.

I'm not arguing your points, however, it's REALLY, REALLY rare when 2 teams in direct competition with each other pull off a trade, even with those things in mind.

kebzach wrote:Do you think that a team that is in direct competition with the Bucks for a playoff spot is going to want to trade with them?

this makes no sense


teams will do the trade because they both think it makes them better, so if you think it's making you better, why wouldn't you do it?

The Pacers are in love with Danny Granger

jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

this makes no sense


teams will do the trade because they both think it makes them better, so if you think it's making you better, why wouldn't you do it?

Because you'd rather not make the team you're fighting for a playoff spot better at the same time. You'd rather make your team better while not helping your #1 competition as well. Just find a good trade that happened between 2 teams in a battle for a playoff spot. This is why you don't often see the Bucks deal with teams in the Central for one, and in the East for another.

WEFFPIM wrote:The Pacers are in love with Danny Granger

They really do----a few on the pacers board have commented on the mo trade by saying they'd only do it if they were sending out Shawne Williams instead of Granger. They are real into Williams too, and if he is a smart, athletic defender then I bet we'd really like him as well in the right deal.

I bet we'd have to consider this deal too:

Bucks trade: Mo, Gadz, CV
Pacers trade: Williams, Tinsley, Jeff Foster


I'm a big Jeff Foster fan, and his contract is a TON better than Troy Murphy's. Any trade taking on Tinsley is a huge risk though, but if Shawne Williams could come in and play some serious defense right away then this deal could really take us out of the cellar in that department.