New Lineup

[slappyg]

What does Coach K. have to lose?

Mo
Redd
Yi
CV
Bogut

Move Yi to the 3 and get CV the minutes he deserves. It's not like we have any big producers currently at the 3.

[xTitan]

Yes CV deserves huge minutes, no one busts a$$ on the court like CV, lock down defense, dominating the boards....he is the man.

[THE DINJ]

At least that'd get Simmons out of there. He was invisible until garbage time last night.

[steger_3434]

Yes CV deserves huge minutes, no one busts a$$ on the court like CV, lock down defense, dominating the boards....he is the man.

I"m with you on CV. I don't understand the love for the guy. He plays absolutely no D, doesn't bring anything intangible and still isn't putting up that great of stats. Like I said before in another post. CV's outplaying Yi, but it's by such a small amount that does it even matter? Unless we can resign CV for the MLE, which I"m sure we won't be able to, I don't want him on this team.

[showtimesam]

Yes CV deserves huge minutes, no one busts a$$ on the court like CV, lock down defense, dominating the boards....he is the man.

CV isn't always a loveable player, but I like the idea of trying to play our best 5 players together. (Sorry but CV is one of the top 5 players on the team)

This bucks team sucks, so I wouldn't be opposed to trying it, maybe it can boost CV's trade value back up again so the bucks can get a good return. Or maybe all that length in the front court works out...

It probably wouldn't work, but I dont see the harm of trying a lineup like that.

[msiris]

Yes CV deserves huge minutes, no one busts a$$ on the court like CV, lock down defense, dominating the boards....he is the man.

And that is if he feels like it on that day. Like it would matter anyway.

[Taurus]

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I"m with you on CV. I don't understand the love for the guy. He plays absolutely no D, doesn't bring anything intangible and still isn't putting up that great of stats. Like I said before in another post. CV's outplaying Yi, but it's by such a small amount that does it even matter? Unless we can resign CV for the MLE, which I"m sure we won't be able to, I don't want him on this team.

I have love for CV because he's getting a raw deal. The only reason he's not getting minutes is beacuse of the deal Harris and Lk made with Yi's people.

I also disagree that he's outplaying Yi by such a small amount. Look at yesterday's stats:

yi = 30 min, 1-10 fg, 6pts, 7 reb, 1 to, 4 fouls
cv = 18 min, 5-12 fg, 14pts, 6 reb, 0 to, 1 foul

[paulpressey25]

I can't defend CV....he's got all sorts of issues.....

But CV's situation is complicated because he's got a Chinese money machine playing ahead of him......and CV's poor defense is just magnified 10x because he's got terrible defenders in Mo and Redd out there as well.

We are losing by 44 points with Yi starting.....it can't hurt to start CV, let him accumulate some stats....at a minimum it will boost his trade value.

[FutureBuck2008]

simmons was not the problem. he might have been a non factor in the first half but it's not like he gets a lot of touches. mo williams was more of a problem that simmons was. i mean simmons was 5-7 from the field and i think he 3 three-pointers in the closing minutes (including one where he had a defender on him and like 3 players who got up from the rockets' bench that kinda was distracting too lol) to at least make it closer than being a double digit loss. williams wasn't very good from the field (6-18, 1-6 from 3-point range) although still did have 13 pts and 9 assists............but still that's a lot of bad shots he's taking.

[MickeyDavis]

CV being in the doghouse goes back to an incident that happened last season.

[oshmeehan]

Get Yi's ass out of the starting lineup

He has been nothing but horrible lately. Doesn't take it to the rim with authority and can't even hit his open jumpers anymore.

The guy is so overrated on this board by many that it is quite comical.

I'd rather have Ersan than Yi right now, and I am dead serious. Ersan at least wouldn't get the ball striped from his girly hands ever time he is near the basket like Yi does. And how many times has Ersan got a dunk attempt blocked or stripped like Yi does? The answer honestly is NONE.

[paulpressey25]

Ersan at least wouldn't get the ball striped from his girly hands ever time he is near the basket like Yi does. And how many times has Ersan got a dunk attempt blocked or stripped like Yi does? The answer honestly is NONE.

In all fairness, at least Yi's jumpers hit the rim....how many airballs did Ersan shoot the last two years? A lot......pure airballs....coming from a guy who was supposed to be like Peja.

I know that Euro ball is different, but the fact Ersan isn't exactly lighting things up over there doesn't get me real enthused for his future as a potential starter in the NBA.

I'd like Ersan to be on our roster, but I'd doubt our record would be any different.

[MickeyDavis]

It's amazing to me how a rookie gets bashed so much. It's not like CV is a difference maker. HE'S NOT AND NEVER WILL BE. As PP has mentioned Dirk was awful his rookie year. PP and many of us Bucks fans followed Dirk pretty closely that year. No one is saying Yi will be like Dirk but the Chicken Little mentality around here is incredible.

[oshmeehan]

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In all fairness, at least Yi's jumpers hit the rim....how many airballs did Ersan shoot the last two years? A lot......pure airballs....coming from a guy who was supposed to be like Peja.

I know that Euro ball is different, but the fact Ersan isn't exactly lighting things up over there doesn't get me real enthused for his future as a potential starter in the NBA.

I'd like Ersan to be on our roster, but I'd doubt our record would be any different.

Well, a missed is a missed anyway you slice it. Still counts for nothing if it was 3/4 down and popped out or if it was an airball.

Ersan isn't lighting it up in Barcelona, you're right. But that's because he isn't an option on offense. It is very guard heavy over there and the guards take most the shots. You can honestly compare the stats over in Europe to that of college in that they only do play 40 minutes a game. If you average 15 ppg or more you will be in the Top 5 in the league in scoring and 4 apg will also be top 5. The numbers on paper aren't that good, but its the case for EVERYONE over there. Someone scoring 30 points in a game over there is equivalent to someone in the NBA scoring 40+ in a game.

From what I see of Ersan this year he hasn't been putting up those airball shots and he is taking the ball to the basket more often than he did with the Bucks.

But yes, our record wouldn't be any better with Ersan instead of Yi, nor would it be any worse probably.

[MickeyDavis]

I can't believe there is a debate about Ersan. Did anyone actually watch him play last year?

[oshmeehan]

^^^^ I can't believe you are a MOD and everyone should basically have to agree with your opinions

And yes, I watched him play, I guarantee I watch him play more than anyone on these boards does

Ersan isn't a difference maker now, CV isn't a difference maker now, and Yi isn't a difference maker now. That's fine, cause NO ONE was talking about any of them being a difference maker. The point is Yi is playing like crap lately while CV is producing better than Yi is right now.

[BuckSkins Fan]

At least that'd get Simmons out of there. He was invisible until garbage time last night.

I am just curious, when you say he is invisible out there, can I ask you why do you think that is? Do you think he has worked his ass off his entire life to go out there and do nothing, to purposely not be involved at all in the offense? Do you think it's his choice he is not involved. Do you think he likes the fact he rarely touches the ball on offensive sets? Take your head out of your azz, and watch the actual game, and not just the score. You cant contribute on offense if you dont get the ball... Its that simple. He is instructed to clog the lane and set picks underneath and be ready for a perimeter shot. Thats what this stupid azz coach wants him to do. So, thats what he does. He sets picks, clogs the lane, and waits for the shot, just like LK wants him too. Take it up with the brillant coach if you dont like, because we sure dont.

Recently Yi's people told Kohl/Harris to get Yi the ball. Just like the the idiots they are, LK told Mo to get Yi the ball. The Chinese want Yi to get more minutes and more shots and they dont like how the Bucks are using him.

[xTitan]

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I am just curious, when you say he is invisible out there, can I ask you why do you think that is? Do you think he has worked his ass off his entire life to go out there and do nothing, to purposely not be involved at all in the offense? Do you think it's his choice he is not involved. Do you think he likes the fact he rarely touches the ball on offensive sets? Take your head out of your azz, and watch the actual game, and not just the score. You cant contribute on offense if you dont get the ball... Its that simple. He is instructed to clog the lane and set picks underneath and be ready for a perimeter shot. Thats what this stupid azz coach wants him to do. So, thats what he does. He sets picks, clogs the lane, and waits for the shot, just like LK wants him too. Take it up with the brillant coach if you dont like, because we sure dont.

Recently Yi's people told Kohl/Harris to get Yi the ball. Just like the the idiots they are, LK told Mo to get Yi the ball. The Chinese want Yi to get more minutes and more shots and they dont like how the Bucks are using him.

I see your points, alot of us, actually most of us, realize nothing will change until the team is sold. My thought on Simmons when he came here was that he would be able to get his 15 points a game on open shots, put backs, cuts to the lane....liked the fact that he did not seem like he was high maintainence, more or less a glue guy. It sounds to me that everyone on this team feels it should built around them and that might explain why they suck, not enough "team" guys and alot of me guys. Hasn't the offense been settled lately? From here on out aren't they going to be an inside out team in the halfcourt? I would think Bobby would like that, he should get his fair share of 3's.

[THE DINJ]

I am just curious, when you say he is invisible out there, can I ask you why do you think that is?

It's simple. Other than a couple rebounds, he did nothing. Wasn't working to get the ball. Wasn't fighting hard for boards. Wasn't doing anything notable on defense.

He didn't do anything.

[MickeyDavis]

^^^^ I can't believe you are a MOD and everyone should basically have to agree with your opinions

I can't believe you think mods shouldn't have an opinion. And my opinion is that Ersan was useless last year.