My Trade To Re-structure the bucks: Memphis/Milwaukee/Miami

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Bucks Trade:
Michael Redd (miami)
Desmond Mason (miami)
Dan Gadzuric (miami)

Bucks Recieve:
Mike Miller
Dorrel Wright
Jason Williams

Memphis Trades:
Mike Miller (milwaukee)

Memphis Recieves
Ricky Davis


Miami Trades:
Jason Williams (milwaukee)
Ricky Davis (Memphis)
Dorel Wright (milwaukee)

Miami Recieves:
Michael Redd
Dan Gadzuric
Dez Mason

This trade benefits all sides. The heat can have a very formidable big three (marion/wade/redd) and add an athletic center to run up and down the court (gadz)

Memphis gets another expiring deal, and if they really want something else, maybe the bucks could throw in CV.

From there, the bucks get a cheaper michael redd in miller and a possible solution for their sf spot in dorel wright.

Bucks New Lineup:

Mo Williams/Ivey
Mike Miller/Charlie Bell
Dorel Wright/Bobby Simmons
CV/Yi
Bogut/Voskuhl

Depending on how wright plays, you could also start bell or ivey in the backcourt and shift miller to the front court. But this trade allows the bucks to drastically reduce salaries with miller instead of redd, and dumping gadz contract. I'd think the bucks would be best off just cutting jason williams as soon as the trade goes down.

Now the heats lineup (pre lotto pick)

Dwayne Wade/
Michael Redd/Dez Mason
Shawn Marion/Dez Mason
Haslem/
Gadz/Mark Blount

[Max Green]

I can't wait until the trade deadline so we can atleast put to rest these ridiculous trade threads. Replacing Redd with Miller makes the Bucks a worse team, while making the Heat better.

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It cuts salary (so we can re-up bogut)

Adds a less selfish version of redd with slightly better D, which is addition by subtraction (miller)

Adds an athletic player at the sf spot

I think it makes the bucks a better "Team"

[kebzach]

I can't wait until the trade deadline so we can atleast put to rest these ridiculous trade threads.

I agree. Every one of them is more stupid than the one before.

[drew881]

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I agree. Every one of them is more stupid than the one before.

But it is so easy to say each trade is more stupid than the next and not come up with your own. Lets see you come up with a better trade.

That said I think this is a good trade. We have been talking about Mike Miller trades for a while now, but Memphis wasn't interested in taking on Redd. Miami could, and might want him. They have the expiring contracts to offer memphis and to us. I think They want to eventually get Wade out of playing pg however, so this is only a temporary fix. I could however see next year a lineup of

PG
Wade
Redd
Marion
Haslem

PG being someone acquired via free agency or trade who plays decent D and doesn't need to shoot (Charlie Bell??)

[aboveAverage]

Replacing Redd with Miller makes the Bucks a worse team, while making the Heat better.

How does getting a more athletic, more unselfish, taller, better defender make us worse?

[Max Green]

It makes us worse because Redd is a better player then Miller.
The only thing Miller has on Redd is that he's taller and more athletic and he's a barely a better rebounder. But overall Redd is a much better player. Let's see how unselfish he is now that he's been made the go to guy like Redd has been the last few years.

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Mike Miller is also used to playing inside-out with a big man, so he could be a better compliment to bogut's inside game.

Don't forget the benefit of having dorel wright if he can develop into a solid sf for us.

[75totheMACCfund]

i think this is pretty reasonable...is ricky davis expiring? It just seems like memphis only wants expiring deals and i'm not sure they'd take davis if he has anymore than 1 year remaining

[WRau1]

I don't want to deal Redd, but I really like Miller so I'd be ok with it.

[skones]

It makes us worse because Redd is a better player then Miller.
The only thing Miller has on Redd is that he's taller and more athletic and he's a barely a better rebounder. But overall Redd is a much better player. Let's see how unselfish he is now that he's been made the go to guy like Redd has been the last few years.

Barely better rebounder? You're nuts. Miller averages close to 7 per game this season. Redd's only grabbed 6 rebounds in 12 out of the 39 games this season. That's a large diffference.

Miller is a better defender and a better athlete. He's got better length. The steals aren't there for Miller but he's much more adept in keeping up with his man.

Miller is the better passer and it isn't close. Miller's actually capable of creating easy looks for others at certain points whereas Redd has proven to be extremely poor in that aspect of the game. He's also played with Gasol for a while now forming a solid combination. He knows how to play with a good big.

Miller's also the better shooter. Redd's the better scorer. The inside out game works much better with Miller. The guy is deadly from beyond the arc shooting over 40% from three point land in 6 out of his 9 seasons. Redd in comparison hasn't done that since he was playing 6th man.

That said I'm a HUGE fan of Miller's game. He's basically Redd with less scoring and a much higher basketball IQ. We get Dorell Wright in this deal who isn't exactly a smart player but athleticism never hurts. Then you look at it and we unload Gadzuric. This is a very nice deal Sam. If Memphis follows the trend of the Pau Gasol trade they might pull the trigger. I might even throw in Villanueva to get this deal done.

[midranger]

My deal with Redd.

I don't think that simply subtracting him from the roster (as in injury) makes our team better. However, replace him with Mike Miller and I do think that we'd be a better team. Mike Miller is really a taller, less selfish, much better Charlie Bell.

We're 5-5 without Redd now, 6-5 with him on the bench to end the game.

Now, take that 6-5 team, give most of Simmons and Bell's minutes to Mike Miller and give all of Awvee Storey's and some of Mo's (so he doesn't die) minutes to Bell. Boom, we probably are quite a bit better.

Mike Miller just complements this team minus Michael Redd much better than Michael Redd himself does.

[xTitan]

It makes us worse because Redd is a better player then Miller.
The only thing Miller has on Redd is that he's taller and more athletic and he's a barely a better rebounder. But overall Redd is a much better player. Let's see how unselfish he is now that he's been made the go to guy like Redd has been the last few years.

How do you define better??? Miller averages 2 more rebounds per game compared to Redd, Miller shoots 50% from the field compared to 44 %, Miller shoots 43% from 3 point range compared to 36% for Redd. Miller is a bigger, better athlete, who defends and will most likely cost a significant amount less then Redd.......there is no comparison.

[midranger]

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How do you define better??? Miller averages 2 more rebounds per game compared to Redd, Miller shoots 50% from the field compared to 44 %, Miller shoots 43% from 3 point range compared to 36% for Redd. Miller is a bigger, better athlete, who defends and will most likely cost a significant amount less then Redd.......there is no comparison.

Agreed. I'd much rather have Miller than Redd.

[Max Green]

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How do you define better??? Miller averages 2 more rebounds per game compared to Redd, Miller shoots 50% from the field compared to 44 %, Miller shoots 43% from 3 point range compared to 36% for Redd. Miller is a bigger, better athlete, who defends and will most likely cost a significant amount less then Redd.......there is no comparison.

Miller also was third option on his team, while Redd was the first option going against better defenders everynight. Also, Redd takes more shots again while Miller takes more open shots a game since teams are or were more concerned with Gay/Gasol.

*Millers also a 6'8 SG/SF, ofcourse he should average more rebounds then Redd.

*He's a great 3 point shooter, but he also gets more wide open 3 point shots then Redd.

*Millers an average defender who averages less steals, but more turnovers and the same amount of Blocks and assists as Redd.

*He costs less because he's not as good of a player as Redd is. Miller is a good 3rd/4th option on a team and I wouldn't mind having him here playing Sf.

[Fight the Tank]

I think this is a decent trade idea all around. I also think JWill would help the Bucks off the bench this year. They really need another adaquete ball handler off the bench.

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That said I'm a HUGE fan of Miller's game. He's basically Redd with less scoring and a much higher basketball IQ. We get Dorell Wright in this deal who isn't exactly a smart player but athleticism never hurts. Then you look at it and we unload Gadzuric. This is a very nice deal Sam. If Memphis follows the trend of the Pau Gasol trade they might pull the trigger. I might even throw in Villanueva to get this deal done.

Thank you..
I would love if something like this was possible. We dump a bit of salary to help keep bogut around, add a guy that can play within the team concept better, and add a guy in wright that may turn into an asset at the 3 spot.

I'd also be willing to toss in CV to memphis if it was key to the deal. However, it looks like they are already in talks with miami for sending Miller for Davis, so maybe the expiring is enough for them.

The key would be if Riley thinks a wade/marion/redd trio can get him to the finals. If I was him, I'd take the gamble, and they will still have a high lotto pick to add along with that this offseason.

[skones]

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He would be the second or third option. Behind Mo and Bogut. He fits the team concept. Smart, talented players win basketball games.