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I was just wondering if some of you feel the same way I do. Over the last decade the same teams have sucked and the very good teams have owned the NBA. Is this good for the NBA? It is very hard to build a winning team. Just look at Atlanta, Milwaukee, and NY to name a few. The playoffs are pretty much dominated by the same teams year in and year out. Not many surprises. The conference finals and final can be fun to watch, but its pretty much the same teams. At least in Football you can get to the top pretty fast after losing seasons, but in basketball some teams have never gotten there. I am the type of person who does not likes to watch same things over and over. So the NBA in kind of bland, since I have been watching it for almost 40 years now. What kind of changes would enable the NBA to grow or are you pretty much satisfied?

msiris wrote:I was just wondering if some of you feel the same way I do. Over the last decade the same teams have sucked and the very good teams have owned the NBA. Is this good for the NBA? It is very hard to build a winning team. Just look at Atlanta, Milwaukee, and NY to name a few. The playoffs are pretty much dominated by the same teams year in and year out. Not many surprises. The conference finals and final can be fun to watch, but its pretty much the same teams. At least in Football you can get to the top pretty fast after losing seasons, but in basketball some teams have never gotten there. I am the type of person who does not likes to watch same things over and over. So the NBA in kind of bland, since I have been watching it for almost 40 years now. What kind of changes would enable the NBA to grow or are you pretty much satisfied?

I can easily name teams that have improved over the years... New Orleans, Utah, Chicago, Denver, Cleveland, Boston, Dallas was a doormat... The list of teams that have improved over the last 5 years is greater than the teams that have outright sucked for the last five. The Bucks, Knicks and Hawks all have one thing in common. F'd up management. The Hawks look the be figuring it out. Untill the Bucks and Knicks change at the top, they will continue to be horrible.

The sames teams seem to win rings. But other than that there is parity in this game.

The same teams always dominate for a good 10 year span...

Look at Russell's Celtics, Magic/Bird Lakers and Celtics, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, Jordan's Bulls and now the Spurs...

Other teams creep up every once and a while... But the NBA is a place where the best players/teams win... And those teams usually stay on top for a good 8-10 years. This hasn't happened just recently... It has happened since there was an NBA.

LukePliska wrote:The same teams always dominate for a good 10 year span...

Look at Russell's Celtics, Magic/Bird Lakers and Celtics, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, Jordan's Bulls and now the Spurs...

Other teams creep up every once and a while... But the NBA is a place where the best players/teams win... And those teams usually stay on top for a good 8-10 years. This hasn't happened just recently... It has happened since there was an NBA.

You are correct. I didn't see that era. I started around in 1970.

Owners, GMs, Coaches is what makes a team good or bad. A team with bad people will never win, and teams with a great group of people will always win.

So basicly till the Bucks get rid of Kohl this team has no shot of ever being anything.

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I can easily name teams that have improved over the years... New Orleans, Utah, Chicago, Denver, Cleveland, Boston, Dallas was a doormat... The list of teams that have improved over the last 5 years is greater than the teams that have outright sucked for the last five. The Bucks, Knicks and Hawks all have one thing in common. F'd up management. The Hawks look the be figuring it out. Untill the Bucks and Knicks change at the top, they will continue to be horrible.

The sames teams seem to win rings. But other than that there is parity in this game.

Utah has always been kind of good. Chicago was great for a while, bad a few and now just average. Denver has been average. Dallas was not a doormat for long, because of money. NO was good even before they moved with just a couple of bad years.

One game away from the NBA finals in the last decade for the Bucks.

Bucks From 1998 to 2008:

Multiple all-stars
A #1 Pick
The highest paid coach in all of sports
High paid free agent attempts and trial and error (...attempts!)
A near trip to the NBA finals
A global Chinese young prospect/potential star

10 years and 6 playoff appearances.

Things are not all that dull in Milwaukee for the NBA when you look at it.

There's plenty you can mention on the ugly side as well, (it seems we do by the minute) but each NBA city and team has something to talk about.

Not just dominated by 4 teams like MLB. Not the quick turnaround NFL either, but real management and real basketball personnel seems to shine through....doesn't it???

i think the nba is in great shape

NO was decent for awhile...but the key to these resurgences, i.e. NO and Utah, was good decision-making by ownership. Everyone was calling for Byron Scott when they were pitiful. And then bam! Draft David West, draft Chris Paul, trade for Peja, trade for Chandler...acquire good depth. Same with Utah. Malone and Stockton are done...mediocre for a few then bam! trade for Okhur, get Boozer, draft Deron Williams...Millsap etc.

In Milwaukee we get: break up of big 3. Lose all remnants of terrible Ray Allen trade. Trade for Magloire. Sign Simmons. Trade for Villanueva. Offer max contract to SG who can't take over in the clutch. Sign another SG to PG role. Extend Gadz over Pachulia for ridiculous amount of money. Resign Bell for entirely too much. Resign Mason etc. We simply lack a structure and culture of good decision-making in top tier management. Hell, look at the KVH and Tim Thomas ordeals. How on earth we signed TT to that amount is still baffling. Then when we get any semblance of team unity (i.e. Scotty Williams role) we let it walk and sign a problem child in Mason. Who knows, it may have all been different if the Big Dog made that jumper game 5 in Philly...somehow I highly doubt it given what we're learning about Kohl and his entourage.

The same teams in the NBA always win because those teams have people in the front office who know what they are doing.

If you look at any team in any pro sport,teams that have a good front office are usually pretty consistient winners.I belive bigtime that having a good team starts at the top.

On the flip side teams that have front offices that dont know what they are doing usually always lose.

Its not coincidence or luck the same teams always win and the same teams always seem to lose.

Its the same in the NFL as well,sure in the NFL its easier to go from bad to good than in the NBA but if you look at the NFL its always the same handful of teams in the playoff mix and the same handful of teams that suck year after year.


As for the state of the NBA I think its the best it has been in the last 5 years or so,just look at the west.

Look at the Rockets,currently 9th in the west but only 5 games out of the #1 seed.And those teams in the west are solid teams with solid records,its not like the west is bunched up because its mediocre.

Your gonna have a ton of huge regular season games after the all star break in the west,in the west the 2nd half of the season is going to be like the playoffs.

The east isnt as good of course but with the Celtics and Pistons you have two great teams that should meet for a great ECF team and then the winner will have a great shot challenge whoever comes out of the west.

One of the things I like about the NBA is that brains and experience and knowing how to get individuals to work as a team can succeed - even when the money is not abundant. Even in a smaller market.

One of the things I regret is that losing teams find it so hard to change their ways. There seem to be many obstacles to seeing the path to success and following it.

Another regret is that management and fans alike overvalue everything when wins are plentiful. And when a team becomes broken like the Bucks currently are, angry fingers are pointed in every direction.

I'd never remove emotion from the game (go reptile!) but each franchise needs an authority who sees things as they are - through the highs and the lows. Proactive, not emergency-mode reactive.

rilamann wrote:The same teams in the NBA always win because those teams have people in the front office who know what they are doing.

If you look at any team in any pro sport,teams that have a good front office are usually pretty consistient winners.I belive bigtime that having a good team starts at the top.

QFT.

If you're a team like the Bucks then you essentially need to get lucky and draft an LBJ/D12-type talent to become a factor, because the front office has never really shown the ability to manufacture winning teams out of the ether.