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TI: Bucks/Wolves
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:41 pm
by EscherDude
First of all, let me say, Not a Mo fan. I think he's the reason the team consistently self destructs in the fourth quarter. In any case, How would this leave us for the future:
Milwaukee Bucks
Incoming Players
Greg Buckner
Salary: $3,750,746 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 3.9 REB: 2.1 AST: 1.3 PER: 6.81
Randy Foye
Salary: $2,631,840 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 8.5 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.8 PER: 5.55
Corey Brewer
Salary: $2,535,720 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.4 REB: 3.7 AST: 1.4 PER: 7.02
Chris Richard
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.3 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.2 PER: 6.43
Minimum Salary Exception allowed trade to be successful
Outgoing Players: Charlie Villanueva, Mo Williams, Michael RuffinMinnesota Timberwolves
Incoming Players
Charlie Villanueva
Salary: $2,715,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.8 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.9 PER: 14.54
Mo Williams
Salary: $7,750,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 17.5 REB: 3.5 AST: 6.5 PER: 17.20
Michael Ruffin
Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.3 REB: 2.4 AST: 0.3 PER: 8.17
Outgoing Players: Greg Buckner, Randy Foye, Corey Brewer, Chris Richard
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:43 pm
by kebzach
You want to trade 2 starters out for 0 in return?
Got a future in sport management planned?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:45 pm
by mcfromage
I like it. Foye and Brewer are solid.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:45 pm
by midranger
Wait, Mo is responsible for our 4th quarter meltdowns?
Are you watching the bizzaro Bucks?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:47 pm
by Fight the Tank
This is an interesting trade....Not sure Minny does it though. They are still selling Brewer and Foye as cornerstones of their future.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:48 pm
by midranger
Little known fact.
Randy Foye is only 9 months younger than Mo Williams.
What the hell were they thinking with the whole Brandon Roy thing?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:48 pm
by EscherDude
Obviously, I may be very wrong on both the trade and Mo but I just don't like the PG taking so many shots. This could certainly make them much worse, well, worse, not much farther down to go at this point.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:49 pm
by Fight the Tank
midranger wrote:Little known fact.
Randy Foye is only 9 months younger than Mo Williams.
Interesting. I still do the trade from Milwaukee's POV but I am sick of the status quo so I am selling the farm.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:50 pm
by EscherDude
True, MN made not do this at all. I wasn't really considering that aspect at post. Sounds like it won't matter anyway, Kohl's not letting any changes be made anyway.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:51 pm
by kebzach
mcfromage wrote:I like it. Foye and Brewer are solid.
Foye is a huge ? mark because of his leg. Brewer is shooting a cool 35%.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:22 pm
by Magic 32
Dont know if I like it besides Foye. Has an upside and has better PG skills than MO besides the scoring part which we dont need. Brewer is a little overrated at this point.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:25 pm
by xTitan
I'd do it in a heartbeat....Players can learn how to shoot with some hard work, no better example than Michael Redd, you can't teach height, athleticism, and defensive instincts...Brewer has all of those.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:30 pm
by 75totheMACCfund
a 3/4 of Brewer and Yi is probably the weakest (pure strength wise) combo in the league
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:31 pm
by xTitan
75totheMACCfund wrote:a 3/4 of Brewer and Yi is probably the weakest (pure strength wise) combo in the league
Right now it is, but you are not going anywhere right now...also among the longest, most athletic 3/4.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:34 pm
by 75totheMACCfund
xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Right now it is, but you are not going anywhere right now...also among the longest, most athletic 3/4.
also true
Re: TI: Bucks/Wolves
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:43 pm
by okanoho
EscherDude wrote:First of all, let me say, Not a Mo fan. I think he's the reason the team consistently self destructs in the fourth quarter. In any case, How would this leave us for the future:
Milwaukee Bucks
Incoming Players
Greg Buckner
Salary: $3,750,746 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 3.9 REB: 2.1 AST: 1.3 PER: 6.81
Randy Foye
Salary: $2,631,840 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 8.5 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.8 PER: 5.55
Corey Brewer
Salary: $2,535,720 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.4 REB: 3.7 AST: 1.4 PER: 7.02
Chris Richard
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.3 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.2 PER: 6.43
Minimum Salary Exception allowed trade to be successful
Outgoing Players: Charlie Villanueva, Mo Williams, Michael RuffinMinnesota Timberwolves
Incoming Players
Charlie Villanueva
Salary: $2,715,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.8 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.9 PER: 14.54
Mo Williams
Salary: $7,750,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 17.5 REB: 3.5 AST: 6.5 PER: 17.20
Michael Ruffin
Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.3 REB: 2.4 AST: 0.3 PER: 8.17
Outgoing Players: Greg Buckner, Randy Foye, Corey Brewer, Chris Richard
you make a new acct for this trade?
do you know that mo is the only one who is willing to throw up a buzzer every quarter in the last second, but not the second after the buzzer?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:44 pm
by schwartz57
Deal from the bucks perspective. Good defender with potential in brewer and new PG to pair with Redd. Gets rid of two bucks malcontents.
Foye/Ivey
Redd/Bell
Brewer/Simmons
Yi/Richard
Bogut/Voskuhl
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:59 pm
by raferfenix
There are a lot of wolves players I'd like, though i'm not sure how much they'd value Mo Williams. They have been looking to dump salary, and I think they might like Sebastian Telfair a lot at PG.
They do have a lot of solid defensive role players though, and we definitely could use some of them. I'd love to get some combination of young guys like Foye, Brewer, or craig smith or older overpaid guys like Jaric, buckner or madsen. It'd be great to get some good attitude guys, especially if we could dump a nasty contract on them like simmons or gadz.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:04 pm
by skones
xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Right now it is, but you are not going anywhere right now...also among the longest, most athletic 3/4.
Those two are a pretty solid tandem in terms of athleticism, but Corey Brewer IS NOT long.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:02 am
by B Calrissian
raferfenix wrote:There are a lot of wolves players I'd like, though i'm not sure how much they'd value Mo Williams. They have been looking to dump salary, and I think they might like Sebastian Telfair a lot at PG.
They do have a lot of solid defensive role players though, and we definitely could use some of them. I'd love to get some combination of young guys like Foye, Brewer, or craig smith or older overpaid guys like Jaric, buckner or madsen. It'd be great to get some good attitude guys, especially if we could dump a nasty contract on them like simmons or gadz.
The Wolves would pass on this deal. We like our Telfair/Foye combo at the point. Jaric/Buckner would be available but there is no way we would take on the contracts of Simmons or Gadz.
I would like a deal involving CV for Smith. Most wolves fans are in love with Smith but I don't like him and Jefferson playing together on the frontline. If we have to play Jefferson at center (we have no other center with Ratliff being hurt) I would rather see a guy that can make a jumpshot next to him rather than Smith who plays close to hoop.
Also it has been interesting reading about all the drama going on for the Bucks. I hope you can ship some of the bad eggs out so guys like Bogut and Yi want to stick around.