OT: Cavs/Bulls/Sonics trade

trwi7 · Post #1 » by **trwi7** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:39 pm

Cavs get:

Ben Wallace
Wally Szczerbiak
Joe Smith
Delonte West

Bulls get:

Larry Hughes
Drew Gooden
Cedric Simmons

Sonics get:

Ira Newble
Donyell Marshall
Chris Duhon

That's an incredible deal for Cleveland.

alvineb15 · Post #2 » by **alvineb15** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:41 pm

I like it for pretty much everyone. Not real sure about Chicago, but Seattle should have cleared out some money and Cleveland got their shooter and a good young point guard.

LUKE23 · Post #3 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:43 pm

Cavs got the best of that deal. Three guys who can hit the jumpshot in Wally, Smitty, and Delonte, and Wallace can backup the 4/5 and doesn't have to play starter minutes, that gives the Cavs AV and Wallace as a bench.

Cavs still don't have a PG though.

Debit One · Post #4 » by **Debit One** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:43 pm

Chicago now has a whole lot of swing men (Gordon, Hughes, Thabo, Deng)

zmanishere11 · Post #5 » by **zmanishere11** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:46 pm

The NBA is in trouble.

This trade deadline proved it.

When expiring/shorter contracts are worth more than most Semi/Super Stars, it's a problem.

There are so many BAD contracts out there it's sad. Hopefully owners start to pull the purse strings a little tighter this summer.

Guarenteed contracts will ruin the league!!

Profound23 · Post #6 » by **Profound23** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:47 pm

It hurts as a Bulls fan because I thought getting Big Ben was going to be the piece we needed for the ring.

And now we are trading him away for Larry Hughes (YUCK), all though ironic with all the Lebron/Hughes talk as the next MJ/Pippen.

Chicago seems to be going in circles, trade Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler, trading Chandler for JR Smith/PJ Brown, trading JR Smith for noting, signing Big Ben to a long term deal and now trading him for Drew Gooden (worse than Tyson Chandler) and Larry Hughes (unbelievable). They let go of Joe Smith who was one of the few Bulls giving effort this year, (which was the same when he was on the Bucks).

It is obvious Paxson is throwing darts blindly hoping for a Bullseye.

Post #7 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:48 pm

I actually like it most for Chicago. They've got a SG with size now, and someone on the blocks that can actually put the ball in the hoop.

Debit One · Post #8 » by **Debit One** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:51 pm

I really like this deal for Cleveland.

Starters: Gibson/West, Szczerbiak, James, Smith, Ilgauskas

Bench: West/Gibson, Pavlovic, Varejao, Wallace

sonny · Post #9 » by **sonny** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:51 pm

DrugBust wrote:I actually like it most for Chicago. They've got a SG with size now, and someone on the blocks that can actually put the ball in the hoop.

Thabo's been playing very well for us, but he'll probably get more time at the 3 now

Profound23 · Post #10 » by **Profound23** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:53 pm

I am only guessing that Cleveland will start Big Ben at PF, at the very least until AV is 100%.

LUKE23 · Post #11 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:53 pm

Debit One wrote:I really like this deal for Cleveland.

Starters: Gibson/West, Szczerbiak, James, Smith, Ilgauskas

Bench: West/Gibson, Pavlovic, Varejao, Wallace

Getting West is the most underrated part of that deal. He's better than Gibson is, especially with regards to PG skills.

West/Wally/James/Smith/Z

Bench: Gibson, AV, Wallace, Pavlovic.

They really have some nice shooters paired with LeBron now. Still think they are third in the East though.

75totheMACCfund · Post #12 » by **75totheMACCfund** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:57 pm

New Details Of Cleveland Three-Way
February 21, 2008 - 3:54 pm
Philadelphia Inquirer -
According to David Aldridge, the Cavaliers, Bulls and Sonics have agreed to a three-way trade.

The Cavaliers receive Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West.

The Bulls receive Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

The Sonics receive Ira Newblem, Donyell Marshal and Chicago's Adrian Griffin [READ]

Thunder Muscle · Post #13 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:58 pm

So Griffin instead of Duhon now?

75totheMACCfund · Post #14 » by **75totheMACCfund** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:59 pm

N8Frog wrote:So Griffin instead of Duhon now?

looks like it

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #15 » by **Buck You** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:30 pm

Shannon Brown is also in the deal, going to Chicago.

Post #16 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:36 pm

So the Bulls basically took their crap and were able to convert it into two useable players in Gooden and Hughes......hmmmm......

LUKE23 · Post #17 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:So the Bulls basically took their crap and were able to convert it into two useable players in Gooden and Hughes......hmmmm......

Bulls made out the worst in this trade. Sonics are going to get cap room (in a great FA class), Cavs got more talent back than they gave up. I don't see how the Bulls improved at all. Smith has been just as effective as Gooden all year and Hughes is well, Hughes.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #18 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:So the Bulls basically took their crap and were able to convert it into two useable players in Gooden and Hughes......hmmmm......

Difference is one their pieces of "crap" has won Defensive Player of the Year, what 4 times?

Bobby Simmons Most Improved Player award doesn't carry the same weight.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #19 » by **Buck You** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:38 pm

Hughes will probably go back to being injured again in Chicago. I really doubt he's happy about this trade. The Cavaliers will be Joe Smith's 8th team and Chicago will be Larry Hughes' 5th.

Post #20 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:42 pm

LUKE23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bulls made out the worst in this trade. Sonics are going to get cap room (in a great FA class), Cavs got more talent back than they gave up. I don't see how the Bulls improved at all. Smith has been just as effective as Gooden all year and Hughes is well, Hughes.

Agreed. Why they wanted to take on Hughes' contract is beyond me. I guess that means the end for Gordon. Great trade by Cleveland, imo. It'll be very interesting to see Ben playing PF with Ilg, and if that doesn't work well, they go to reliable Joe Smith. And West is a great fit for them. Just a great move by Ferry.