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Which 2008 Backcourt is better (Redd/Mo or Ray/Sam)
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 2:11 pm
by paulpressey25
Now that Sam is with the Celtics, we see the 2001 backcourt reunited.
I used to rip on that backcourt for being selfish and over-rated.....but as I look back, I think that 2001 backcourt was a far better pair than Redd/Mo are today.
A couple questions.
1. Are the 2008 Sam/Ray pairing better than the 2008 Redd/Mo backcourt?
2. To put the talent levels of Sam and Ray in perspective, do any of you think that the Redd/Mo backcourt will be re-united as the starters for a contending team in the 2014-15 season?
Where I'm going with the question is I don't think Redd/Mo are anywhere close to the Ray/Sam combination as it relates to talent and skill. The fact that Ray/Sam are still here seven years later and are very relevant says to me all I need to know. I can't see Redd/Mo being in the same position years from now.
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 2:14 pm
by Matches Malone
sam and ray all day
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:10 pm
by showtimesam
No, not anywhere close.
Ray could score about as well as redd, but in the flow of the offense.
Meanwhile, Cassell was a big pg that could post up the opposition, make smart passes, and score at will.
I think both guys are just craftier players with high basketball iqs. The biggest difference is between mo and cassell. Sam isn't a pass first pg, but he's incredibly smart, picks his spots well, and keeps his team involved.
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:18 pm
by BobbyLight
Sam and Ray are currently better. I think adding Sam makes the Celtics favoirtes in the East. He is too smart and too ballsy to let a team with this much talent not make the finals.
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:26 pm
by emunney
To be fair, did anyone in 2001 think that Ray and Sam would be reunited in 2008 as the backcourt on a contender? Did anyone in 2006 think it was likely? How about in 2007?
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:32 pm
by PaBuck
Based on basketball IQ alone, it's Sam and Ray handsdown. Let's call it a Nobrainer!
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:27 pm
by jerrod
emunney wrote:To be fair, did anyone in 2001 think that Ray and Sam would be reunited in 2008 as the backcourt on a contender? Did anyone in 2006 think it was likely? How about in 2007?
exactly
keep in mind, sam was just waived by the clippers
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:29 pm
by emunney
The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:40 pm
by jerrod
emunney wrote:The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."
i agree
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:42 pm
by xTitan
Europa, I know you have posted before that Larry K has basically called his backcourt dumb, I was wondering where you had seen those quotes? If Larry K. said that I could not agree more. Ray and Sam, and its not close, actually thought you were going to be asking about Todd Day and Eric Murdoch
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:49 pm
by Max Green
emunney wrote:The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:27 pm
by Fort Minor
emunney wrote:The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."
Yes, but I think they stand a better of chance of winning a championship with Ray and Sam.
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:40 pm
by Newz
Sam Cassell used to be a better player than Mo Williams, but as of right now it isn't even close... Mo Williams is a ton better.
And I think Redd and Ray are on the same level.
Put Redd and Mo on Boston and the Celtics are a ton better... Put Ray and Sam on the Bucks and we are even worse than we already are.
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:47 pm
by WRau1
Sam Cassell is still alive?
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:25 pm
by ahagen87
Sam and Ray no doubt about it
Posted: Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:50 am
by BankIt
I think its an unfair question unless we put each tandem on both teams, then and now. Then compare. Would that 2001 team be a better team with Redd and Mo instead of Cassell and Ray. Its a tough call but I'd take Redd and Mo on both teams. I still have a bad taste in my mouth when Cassell was on the take to throw that Detroit playoff series. I wonder how much he pocketed from the mafia. Then there's Cassell's tendencies to just jack up shots with no team members in position for rebounds. Sam I Am blew this comparison.
Posted: Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:56 am
by Fort Minor
BankIt wrote:I think its an unfair question unless we put each tandem on both teams, then and now. Then compare. Would that 2001 team be a better team with Redd and Mo instead of Cassell and Ray. Its a tough call but I'd take Redd and Mo on both teams. I still have a bad taste in my mouth when Cassell was on the take to throw that Detroit playoff series. I wonder how much he pocketed from the mafia. Then there's Cassell's tendencies to just jack up shots with no team members in position for rebounds. Sam I Am blew this comparison.
Hmmm...methinks Cassell wasn't the only one to ever do that.
The both do it, but they both hit a lot of 'em.