To Tank or Not to Tank

[steger_3434]

There's been a lot of topics and arguments between the pro tankers and the anti tankers. I've always been on the pro tankers, but for a different reason than just wanting a higher draft pick.

This team sucks, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if we tank or not. We are going to lose games because the players we have aren't good. However, if we "tank", meaning we sit our good (if we you can even call anyone that) players and play the scrubs my mind may be more at ease. Why you may ask? Playing our scrubs will more than likely net us the same result as playing our starters, but losing big with our starters takes any hope out of my mind of the future. At least if we were losing by 20 with scrubs playing I can play it out in my head that the reason we lost is that we are tanking. If our main guys were playing we would have won this game.

[midranger]

We don't have to. We're just that bad.

[steger_3434]

We don't have to. We're just that bad.

You must not have understood what I was saying. I know we're just that bad. That is the part that makes me want to "tank". Play Ivey, Storey, Sessions, Jake, etc. We'll still lose, but at least in my head I can play if off as if we did have our normal guys out there we would have won even if that's not the case.

[Andrew34r]

I hope the Bucks dont put the fans through another end of the season like they did last year. I will just stay home instead of even going to games where all of our scrubs are getting torched by our opponents. So obviously im not for tanking...I think we should play the season out as is and let our team grow together.

Major changes have to be made but it does not hurt to help team chemistry with the main players on the team that appear like they are not going anywhere. The more they play together I think the better we will be in the long run that is of course after or if the major changes are made on this team.

[steger_3434]

How can chemestry matter when more than likely 2/5 of our starting lineup will be gone next year (Redd, Mo, CV).

We WILL lose with scrubs or starters. I don't question that at all. However, at least losing with scrubs I can go to bed at night making myself believe IF we weren't blatantly tanking we'd have the talent to win. Losing by 20 with everyone playing normal minutes takes any hope away.

[bigkurty]

My Avatar should show what I believe in. Does finishing out the year on a high note help the next year? Yes as is evident with the Packers this past year. However in basketball, I subscribe to AdamCZ's theory that without a star, you have no realistic chance to ever win the big one anyway. So my thoughts are that we suck, we are going to lose anyway, we have Euro's who need some rest, lets just play the guys we most want to trade so we can help elevate their trade value, and take another swing at landing a real difference maker. Oh and I want more of the general public to realize just how bad we suck so that ticket sales drop badly to force Kohl's hand at making front office structural changes and to possibly force him to sell the team to someone who knows how to run a franchise. Kohl has definitely become like the Selig's. We could really use another Antonasio style owner who would let basketball people run the thing.

[msiris]

We don't have to. We're just that bad.

Its all natural baby.

[Andrew34r]

I think Redd is here to stay. But I was more talking about Bogut and Yi...my hope is that these 2 will be on our team for many years to come.

[Dags]

How did tanking work out for us last season?

[InsideOut]

I hope the Bucks dont put the fans through another end of the season like they did last year. I will just stay home instead of even going to games where all of our scrubs are getting torched by our opponents.

So why do you go to games now? Is what you saw today better than what you watched at the end of last season? Is it really better watching while our starters get torched instead of scrubs. What part of going to a Bucks game is better than going to a movie? To each their own and I respect that. However, I hosestly can't see spending the money or time to watch one of the worst organizations sports. The Bucks have to be the worst bang for the buck for a persons entertainment dollar.

I don't care if they tank or nat because as was mentiuoned they suck. We just lost by 20 at home to Philly. That says it all. However, the last thing I want to see is the Bucks getting the 8th seed with 35(?) wins. Because with how good the west is, if we make the playoffs we'd be drafting behind several teams that finished with winning records. The diference between making the playoffs and missing the playoffs could be 5 or 6 draft spots. The last thing we need is team like Denver, Portland or Golden State drafting before us. The other problem with getting the 8th seed is Kohl could look us in the eye and say "hey, we made the playoffs". He could use this fact to maintain the status quo. Why on earth would a playoff team fire it's coach and GM? Why would they need to make major changes? Kohl could just keep on meddeling because it's brought us a playoff team. For these two reason I want to see the Buck's lose. Winning a few extra games down the stretch will only lead to more of the same crap next season.

Can someone explain to me how the Clippers can only have one more loss than us yet they've played the entire season without Brand and Livingston. Now factor in that Sam has missed roughly 30 games for them and they play in the West. [/quote]

[InsideOut]

How did tanking work out for us last season?

Great. We got Yi with the 6th pick instead of guys named Young, Hawes... with later picks. I assume you'd rather we picked 16th.

[Neapolitan Buck]

How did tanking work out for us last season?

That's the point. We tanked because we wanted the top pick last year to get Oden or Durant, we deserved #3, we had #6, we drafted badly. We can't draft a great player. I think right now tanking is a good thing, maybe this final 19 games will help us because our bench players can increase their trade value, but I know that we can't draft a future superstar, and Kohl will give us problems in trying to trade to improve our team seriously.

[Andrew34r]

I understand what your saying and it makes perfect sense but there are just some individual players on the Bucks who I enjoy watching in person and would hate to have them benched. And its just my opinion and probably not whats going to happen anyway.

[emunney]

The "should we or shouldn't we tank" debate has become moot. Mo seems finished. Yi seems finished. Bogut will follow soon. We are tanking.

[LUKE23]

1. I want a higher pick
2. I want this piece of **** team blown up

If you want both, you should be a pro-tanker.

The way I see it, a franchise record 20+ losses and a less than 30 win season should force someone even as inept as Kohl to make changes this offseason.

[Dags]

Great. We got Yi with the 6th pick instead of guys named Young, Hawes... with later picks. I assume you'd rather we picked 16th.

We tanked to get a top-3 pick and came away with 6 and a player that hasn't given what we wanted.

If we don't tank we won't be picking 16th, nowhere near it. We'll still be a top-7 lottery team. But we'd at least be out there trying to play hard and instill a good work ethic in the team.

[Dags]

That's the point. We tanked because we wanted the top pick last year to get Oden or Durant, we deserved #3, we had #6, we drafted badly. We can't draft a great player. I think right now tanking is a good thing, maybe this final 19 games will help us because our bench players can increase their trade value, but I know that we can't draft a future superstar, and Kohl will give us problems in trying to trade to improve our team seriously.

You're right, we tanked for a top-3 pick and came away with the 6. Tanking didn't work and just helped perpetuate the "it's ok to lose" attitude.

It's bloody tough to get a franchise player out of tanking, I'd rather teach the players to play the right way.

[msiris]

1. I want a higher pick
2. I want this piece of **** team blown up

If you want both, you should be a pro-tanker.

The way I see it, a franchise record 20+ losses and a less than 30 win season should force someone even as inept as Kohl to make changes this offseason.

Do we have even more than the teams below us? If so man we really blow.

[InsideOut]

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We tanked to get a top-3 pick and came away with 6 and a player that hasn't given what we wanted.

If we don't tank we won't be picking 16th, nowhere near it. We'll still be a top-7 lottery team. But we'd at least be out there trying to play hard and instill a good work ethic in the team.

The point of tanking is getting the highest pick possible. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The point is to get the odds on your side and let the chips fall where they may. Just because we didn't get a top two pick last season doesn't mean we should stop trying to get a top pick.

If we don't tank we could get the 8th playoff seed and that means we'd be drafting 15th. By tanking we get a chance at a top 3 pick and have a good shot at being in the top 6. I feel the Bucks benefit more in the future by getting the lottery option.

As far as still playing hard and work ethic...that ship sailed a while ago. Sure, they might step it up once in a while but for the most part you'll get what you witnessed today, a bunch of guys that could care less. They don't even try and play D.

[SonicYouth34]

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Its all natural baby.