Can CV/Yi/Bogut frontcourt work with revamped backcourt?

LUKE23 · Post #1 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:58 am

CV thread got me thinking about this. I know people have thrown it out there in the past, but the main point against it is the lack of team D. Well, lets say we make moves through a trade and the draft to improve our backcourt D. Could that frontcourt work together offensively?

jerrod · Post #2 » by **jerrod** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:58 am

yes yes yes

Kerb Hohl · Post #3 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:00 am

I've been wondering literally all year why CV didn't get more minutes at the 3. Bring in a defense-only SF to compliment CV in necessary times.

paul · Post #4 » by **paul** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:01 am

as I said when the exact same question was posed yesterday, yes. Get a slight bump out of CV's D in the offseason and a slight bump in AB's offense and it is a formidable front line.

DH34Phan · Post #5 » by **DH34Phan** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:01 am

I think Yi will do a good job of backing up CV next year.

I think the CV/Bogut frontline, with better perimeter defense, can be a good team.

midranger · Post #6 » by **midranger** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:03 am

It would have been nice to see that frontcourt at all this year. Instead we gave Simmons/Mason minutes while alienating CV.

REDDzone · Post #7 » by **REDDzone** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:04 am

A good defender at the three, and a good/average one at the one and two, and I would be more than down for that.

EDIT: Oops, I thought the question was Bogut/CV frontcourt.

Post #8 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:05 am

BTW...Bobby Simmons is making Tim Thomas look like Michael Jordan.......

He's just stealing money from Kohl......

LUKE23 · Post #9 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:05 am

The reason I think it easily works offensively is that both Yi/CV are mobile, can move quickly, and can hit the jumpshot. It would be a different story if one or neither didn't have range.

If we were going to go this route, I'd draft Collison for sure, a guy I think will be at the very worst a great defender. Trade Redd for sure and Mo if the right deal comes along.

DH34Phan · Post #10 » by **DH34Phan** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:06 am

I don't know what Yi has done to prove he is a part of the "core".

Anytime Charlie V has started, he has averaged around 15/8.

If we can dump our garbage with Yi, I would do it.

rilamann · Post #11 » by **rilamann** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:06 am

Wow even the ''revamp the frontcourt and build around Redd & Mo'' people are starting to change their minds.

:rofl:

Anyway I think its a solid front court,I like CV as long as he is a complementary type player.If CV is a guy you have to depend on to produce on a nightly bases to win games your going to be playing with fire and you'll be full of 3rd degree burns by April.

Bogut & Yi are the future if the Bucks are smart,like my sig says build it around them and they will come.

jerrod · Post #12 » by **jerrod** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:07 am

i do want to see more of the cv/gadz/bogut frontline too

Bucks_Revenge · Post #13 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:09 am

larry K is such a genius he refuses to play Yi, Cv and Bogut at the same time because he didn't think it would work but he had no problem playing Cv and Bogut with Gadzuric...that is I cannot stand Larry K at times.

rilamann · Post #14 » by **rilamann** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:11 am

Bucks_Revenge wrote:larry K is such a genius he refuses to play Yi, Cv and Bogut at the same time because he didn't think it would work but he had no problem playing Cv and Bogut with Gadzuric...that is I cannot stand Larry K at times.

Yea we cant do that or even try it because we would suffer on the defensive end.

:lol:

Thats like when people said earlier in the season ''if we trade Redd we will suck''.

Thats classic.

paul · Post #15 » by **paul** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:13 am

DH34Phan wrote:I don't know what Yi has done to prove he is a part of the "core".

Anytime Charlie V has started, he has averaged around 15/8.

If we can dump our garbage with Yi, I would do it.

whoops I thought this was CV/Bogut being proposed as well, didn't notice Yi. I don't think Yi has done anything to earn a starting spot at this point, and I also think (unlike many others) that he's a pretty poor defender at this stage, so no for me. CV and Bogut should be our starting 4 5 for me though, that includes next season.

Bucks_Revenge · Post #16 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:16 am

have any of you noticed how poor CV defense is he is the most lazy defender by all starting PF......I think majority of you look at stats to closely...thats one of my pet peeves about you guys.

Post #17 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:16 am

As Woeffel said on the postgame show, Yi and CV will not be allowed to be on the same team next year. The Chinese handler's won't go for it.

Their man needs minutes, needs exposure, needs stardom. Too many China groupies careers and money trains depend on it. Yi himself needs it to cash in on his marketing potential. Even Herb Kohl sees his money train depending on Yi being a big-time player.

And having CV even around to compete against while playing part-time four/part-time three is no good. The good news here is that if CV finishes out these last 25 games averaging 20/10, he'll be one heck of a trade asset.......or you trade Yi.

Raptors90102 · Post #18 » by **Raptors90102** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:21 am

DH34Phan wrote:I don't know what Yi has done to prove he is a part of the "core".

Anytime Charlie V has started, he has averaged around 15/8.

If we can dump our garbage with Yi, I would do it.

I agree.. I dont know what has made Yi part of the core? I mean if we are just basing that on the coachin staff's word, than they probably said all those good things about him becuase of the whole "promise" part.. Yi was somewhat effective in the beginning of the season as no one had any scouting reports on this guy.. once a few weeks passed by, every team figured him out and he disappeared on both ends of the floor.. good rookies pick up their game in the second half of the season whereas Yi just hit a deadly low.. and now he probably will be shut down for the season.. I wouldn't be surprised if his hand is fine and the chinese administration has asked the bucks not to play him to see his value go down now that he has been struggling..

Its also funny that LK played CV a continuous 18 minutes in the first half and has been playing him long stretches in the first half lately.. couldn't that jackass do that earlier in the season keeping his personal bias aside?

In my opinion the whole Yi promise thing and LK's personal agenda made things looks worse for CV and projected him to be the lesser player than he actually is..

DH34Phan · Post #19 » by **DH34Phan** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:23 am

paulpressey25 wrote:And having CV even around to compete against while playing part-time four/part-time three is no good. The good news here is that if CV finishes out these last 25 games averaging 20/10, he'll be one heck of a trade asset.......or you trade Yi.

If CV ends the season like that, I would be absolutely pissed if we traded him. Unless he is with both Bobby and Gadz, or gets a top 15 pick in return.

I have a feeling Yi won't be anything special for at least another 2 seasons.

If we are trying to have our PF put up 9/6 next season with 30 minutes a game, then yes we should trade CV and keep Yi.

I would rather have Charlie's 15/8 in the same amount of time, with slightly worse defense.

Yi right now could net us a good return. I am hoping we inquire about Elton Brand.

schweig · Post #20 » by **schweig** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:25 am

It's not about figuring Yi out. They said on the game tonight he's been hurt since January. Convenient, sure. And he hadn't matched that career high against Charlotte from the middle of December over that extra month. But there's no point in getting on him now until we see more. Not to make excuses for him since I'm expecting he'll probably be too run down all next year too and that will really suck.