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I think they're a team we're really likely to make a deal with, as both our teams are desperate for major shakeups (and the pacers owner has alreayd said big changes are coming).

Plus, if the Rick Carlisle rumor from Homer is true, I can see him lobbying for some of his former pacer favorites if there's a fire sale in indy. Jim O'brien also privilages shooting from pretty much all positions on the floor, yet his backcourt can't shoot at all. I can see him being interested in any of Mo/Redd/Bell, as well as CV considering how much his game resembles Antoine Walker.

With all that said, how do you think the Bucks would value pacers players? What scenarios can you see going through?



I can see us being one of the very few teams willing to take on Jamal Tinsley, as for all his faults he is a GREAT passer and a good defender. We also don't need a shooter at PG necessarily, and are generally desperate for more of a veteran influence.

I also think we would value Danny Granger more than any other team in the league, as his physical play would be great to cover up Yi's shortcomings in that department.

Why would we make major moves within the division. I know Cleveland and Chicago had a little trade but I dunno you almost never see it.

There's not even a trade idea on here. We're not getting Granger either so forget that.

Jermaine O'neal was a Carlisle guy and he has always kind of resented the unstructured play of teammates like Harrington, Artest, Jax, and Tinsley. There were a lot of Pacers who didn't like Carlisle's strict style but it was meant to exploit JO's talents and those two were on the same page. The GS trade was meant to appease JO and Carlisle, who wanted more disciplined players with better fundamentals. But then O'brien came in and opened things up, which benefited most of the team but certainly not JO. Bogut and JO would be a great pairing under Carlisle but it's hard to see Redd, CV and Mo fitting.

Forget about Granger, he's much better than anyone on the Bucks right now. The Pacers have long been sick of Tinsley's antics at pg and may have some interest in Mo and CV, but probably not Redd (see: Dunleavy Jr. at sg). Trading those two for JO would make some sense but then you need a pg (just say no to Tinsley in any deal), and I'd also hope the Pacers would take Gadz in the deal since they're getting two good young players for a past-his-prime vet with a huge contract. Also, the Bucks would then be built around the frontcourt and Redd would have to go unless he changed his ways (not likely).

Jermaine O'neal could be a guy the Bucks target, especially since his value has plumetted around the league. I highly doubt they could get him for ending contracts even at this point. I can see them being interested in a Mo Williams based package if they find a taker for Tinsley though.

Tinsley is another guy who as I said I could easily see on the Bucks, and he's a big reason why I thought this could be a good thread (I agree granger's probably a pipe dream). The Bucks are so desperate for what he brings to the team that we're probably one of the few teams who'd overlook the negatives.

How about this scenario:

Bucks trade: mo williams
Pacers trade: jamall tinsley, shawne williams