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Kohl defends why he declined the Randolph Trade...
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:28 pm
by Bucks_Revenge
don't want to impugn him, because I've never met him," Kohl said about Randolph. "Zach started out in Portland, and at the point they traded him, they really wanted to do that. He did not help them win."
"Then they traded him to New York, and within six months they wanted him out. They were prepared to trade him to the Bucks or anyone else. And he had three years, plus this year, remaining on his contract, which was over $50 million."
"Now any owner, I submit, who would not take an interest in that and would not want to be a part of that decision, is not doing his job. When it comes to decisions of that magnitude, the owner needs to be on board."
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=730301
I guess he is right a little.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:42 pm
by #1knickfan
Ha....so it wasn't that the Bucks didn't want to do the deal. The problem was that the Bucks have a smart enough owner to put the orchestrator of their struggling team on a short leash unlike Dolan.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:43 pm
by LUKE23
#1knickfan wrote:Ha....so it wasn't that the Bucks didn't want to do the deal. The problem was that the Bucks have a smart enough owner to put the orchestrator of their struggling team on a short leash unlike Dolan.
I think you are a member of the only fanbase that would call anything about the Bucks "smart".
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:50 pm
by LockDownD
I do not mettle in affairs
I did block the Randolph trade
we need a fresh perspective
I will check with Ron and Co.
I would be open to hiring Pres. of b.b. operations, sure, in title only
stop talking out of both sides of your mouth, no one is buying it anymore. Your commitment maybe to win but your management is fruitless.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:37 pm
by BuckFan25226
If there is one trade I am happy about Kohl nixing, it's the Randolph deal.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:42 pm
by blkout
BuckFan25226 wrote:If there is one trade I am happy about Kohl nixing, it's the Randolph deal.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:44 pm
by jerrod
i'm willing to bet that if boozer was here, this wouldn't have come up
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:47 pm
by Ruzious
While I'm glad the Bucks didn't trade for Randoph, you can't have the owner interfering like that and succeed, imo. Hopefully, the new GM will have more autonomy. And hopefully, he'll be competent!
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:15 pm
by moocow007
jerrod wrote:i'm willing to bet that if boozer was here, this wouldn't have come up
You wouldn't have been able to get Boozer for the Bucks players mentioned in the RAndolh deal is the problem.
Randolph is most definitely no winner but the way Kohl presented it he made it seem like that he was looking at dealing key players that are known winners making significantly less than $50 million which was not the case at all...on any level.
The Bucks essentially would have been dealing 3 lesser players making slightly more money combined for a single more talented player making slightly less money with none of the players involved having helped any of the teams they've been on win anything.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:22 pm
by midranger
moocow007 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You wouldn't have been able to get Boozer for the Bucks players mentioned in the RAndolh deal is the problem.
Randolph is most definitely no winner but the way Kohl presented it he made it seem like that he was looking at dealing key players that are known winners making significantly less than $50 million which was not the case at all...on any level.
The Bucks essentially would have been dealing 3 lesser players making slightly more money combined for a single more talented player making slightly less money with none of the players involved having helped any of the teams they've been on win anything.
Two years ago, Larry Harris presented Herb Kohl with this deal, already agreed upon by the Utah Jazz....
Mo Williams and Jamaal Magloire for Carlos Boozer and Ronnie Brewer's pick
At the time, Boozer was seem somewhat like Randolph and Kohl killed the trade and told Harris that he had to find a low priced PF which lead directly to TJ Ford for Charlie Villanueva.
Also, this past summer, Kohl killed a Yi/Simmons for Marion deal.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:31 pm
by moocow007
midranger wrote:Two years ago, Larry Harris presented Herb Kohl with this deal, already agreed upon by the Utah Jazz....
Mo Williams and Jamaal Magloire for Carlos Boozer and Ronnie Brewer's pick
At the time, Boozer was seem somewhat like Randolph and Kohl killed the trade and told Harris that he had to find a low priced PF which lead directly to TJ Ford for Charlie Villanueva.
Also, this past summer, Kohl killed a Yi/Simmons for Marion deal.
Oh I don't disagree and Kohl does seem to cabosh a lot of deals for whatever reasons that may not seem to be basketball related.
My point regarding Boozer was really more along the lines of the Boozer of today (in response to the other poster seeming to imply that if Kohl was presented with an offer of today's Boozer for that same package that he probably wouldn't turn it down).
I mean back then Magliore was an All-Star C in the Eastern conference and Boozer was in the midst of all that "did he trick a blind man, is he sitting because of a hang nail" crap and his value was extremely low (which you know since he was pretty much Randolph level then).
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:37 pm
by midranger
I got you. Our GM had the vision to buy low on Boozer and it would have saved this team. Instead Kohl doomed it.
That is why the other poster was saying Randolph's name never would have come up had Boozer been here.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:43 pm
by moocow007
midranger wrote:I got you. Our GM had the vision to buy low on Boozer and it would have saved this team. Instead Kohl doomed it.
That is why the other poster was saying Randolph's name never would have come up had Boozer been here.
Oh ok...yeah Boozer definitely would have changed the whole Bucks franchise had he made the deal.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:34 pm
by old skool
Every team has made and held off on trades that can be viewed negatively with hindsight.
The trade for Randolph would not have been horrible for the Bucks from standpoint of talent exchange, but it would have been bad on many other levels.
1. Randolph appears to be a cancer who drags down his team.
2. Putting Randolph on the Bucks roster would be pointless unless the Bucks were willing to sit Yi and CV. That would be OK in a "win now" situation, but it would be ignoring the future.
3. Giving up Simmons and Bell would take away the Bucks second best SF and PG. This would leave them very thin at those two positions - and over loaded at PF.
This trade would move a couple of bad contracts. And pick up a bad contract. It save a few dollars down the road, but only if the Bucks replace the players traded with minimum contracts.
Meanwhile, the Bucks would lose Bell - a rotation players who can fill multiple roles.
I don't see how this trade would have been good for the Bucks. It looks like a classic Harris move - lots of action for the sake of action.
When the Bucks had virtually no talent, that was a decent strategy. But the team DOES have talent. Redd, and Mo and Bogut, and Yi and CV. They have some decent pieces. Trades need to have a purpose.
oLd sKool
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:40 pm
by NeedsMoreCheese
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:46 am
by paulpressey25
The Randolph decision was a no brainer.....heck look at this headline from the wiretap. Would a "20/10" guy ever be "sat down" at any point in a season?
Randolph To Sit As Knicks Turn To Young Players
March 20, 2008 - 6:20 pm
Sports Illustrated -
Isiah Thomas has revealed that the Knicks are now playing for the future, with Zach Randolph probably not being used for at least the next two games, the Associated Press is reporting.
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:05 am
by jerrod
paulpressey25 wrote:The Randolph decision was a no brainer.....heck look at this headline from the wiretap. Would a "20/10" guy ever be "sat down" at any point in a season?
Randolph To Sit As Knicks Turn To Young Players
March 20, 2008 - 6:20 pm
Sports Illustrated -
Isiah Thomas has revealed that the Knicks are now playing for the future, with Zach Randolph probably not being used for at least the next two games, the Associated Press is reporting.
bogut and redd were "sat down" last year
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:10 am
by midranger
jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
bogut and redd were "sat down" last year
Seriously. Is it really a shocker?
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:11 am
by paulpressey25
jerrod wrote:-=bogut and redd were "sat down" last year
I said you don't sit "20/10" guys.....you cited Bogut (Mr. 13/9) and Redd (The Zach Randolph of SG's) so I think my statement was consistent.
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:12 am
by REDDzone
jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
bogut and redd were "sat down" last year
They suck too.
