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Watching Memphis vs. Texas intermittently while I work (and post). This Derrick Rose kid is phenomenal - a cross between Wade and Kidd. I would go Mike Ditka for this kid - trade pretty much everything you got (within reason) to get the one thing you really need. NBA basektball is the one sport where you really need to pull out all the stops to get a superstar.

I'd try to keep Bogut of course, but I'd give up Redd, Yi, Mo, CV, or the #7 pick - or any combination of 2 or 3 of those assets - to land Rose. Imagine if the Bucks lucked out in the lottery and picked second without making a trade!

I should stop dreaming...

coolhandluke121 wrote:Watching Memphis vs. Texas intermittently while I work (and post). This Derrick Rose kid is phenomenal - a cross between Wade and Kidd. I would go Mike Ditka for this kid - trade pretty much everything you got (within reason) to get the one thing you really need. NBA basektball is the one sport where you really need to pull out all the stops to get a superstar.

I'd try to keep Bogut of course, but I'd give up Redd, Yi, Mo, CV, or the #7 pick - or any combination of 2 or 3 of those assets - to land Rose. Imagine if the Bucks lucked out in the lottery and picked second without making a trade!

I should stop dreaming...

Do you think Rose will be a better player than Bogut? Because if the answer is yes then you don't even worry about keeping 'Drew.

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Do you think Rose will be a better player than Bogut? Because if the answer is yes then you don't even worry about keeping 'Drew.

Yeah, I do. But I'd like to see the team have a good center and a very good pg and let the rest of the pieces fall into place as they may. It wouldn't be much of a steal if you traded Bogut and ended up with Dan Gadzuric as your starting center. You'd have the Nets of the past couple years, redux. Blech. But if you managed to get Rose and keep Bogut, you'd eventually be able to replace everyone else and you'd almost inevitably have a pretty good team down the road.

Well, there's no doubt that the preferred route would be something like #7 and Yi/Mo/CV or something like that.

There's always hope that Riley was serious about wanting to move a top pick for several pieces. If Miami lands #2 and we stay at #7...

Bucks send: #7, #37, Mo Williams, Charlie Villanueva
Miami sends: #2, Mark Blount, Marcus Banks

I wouldn't personally do that from Miami's perspective, but you can hope that they view Rose as too similar to Wade, and would rather have 3 good players than 1 great one at this point.

I can't see any of the bottom 10 teams trading away the #2 pick, assuming that is Rose, he is a superstar talent. I am guessing after Beasley is measured closer to 6'7" rather than 6'10", Rose may garner a number of #1 picks on various draft boards.

Here's an expansion of the above deal which sweetens it for Miami:

Milwaukee sends: #7, #37, Williams, Villanueva, Redd, Mason
Milwaukee gets: #2, Blount, Banks, Marbury

New York sends: #5, Marbury
New York gets: Redd, Mason, #31, #37

Miami sends: #2, Blount, Banks, #31
Miami gets: #5, #7, Williams, Villanueva

adamcz wrote:Here's an expansion of the above deal which sweetens it for Miami:

Milwaukee sends: #7, #37, Williams, Villanueva, Redd, Mason
Milwaukee gets: #2, Blount, Banks, Marbury

New York sends: #5, Marbury
New York gets: Redd, Mason, #31, #37

Miami sends: #2, Blount, Banks, #31
Miami gets: #5, #7, Williams, Villanueva

Here is thr problem I see, in all your trades no one is close to Rose's talent, why would Miami do that?

I said that I wouldn't do it from Miami's perspective, but Riley said publicly that if he gets a top pick he may want to trade it for several pieces.

Rose is very good. He is just dominating Augustine who I love. If needed I would trade Bogut to move up to get him, but I would try every other scenario first. Rose is going to be special.

I'm still holding out hope for a new Bucks backcourt of Rose and Mayo in 08-09

adamcz wrote:I said that I wouldn't do it from Miami's perspective, but Riley said publicly that if he gets a top pick he may want to trade it for several pieces.

Do you do Redd, Mo, #7 for #2 + trash contracts (Blount, Banks, some S&T dude)?


I think I do.

Well, the way rose is playing now, he'll probably end up being 1st overall pick. So it might be impossible to get him. He's really the only superstar I see in this draft. I would do anything I could to grab him, even if it means trading Yi, which I am firmly against in any other situation.

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Do you do Redd, Mo, #7 for #2 + trash contracts (Blount, Banks, some S&T dude)?


I think I do.

I would but Miami would not pick up both those Bucks contracts IMO.....I am willing to take yet another smaller step backward in order to move forward.

Bottom line is you won't get a team to take on Redd and/or Mo because of their deals and CV isn't worth much of anything. Yi probably hasn't helped his value with his play this season, but it's likely our only movable assets will be Yi, Bogut and #7.

DrugBust wrote:Bottom line is you won't get a team to take on Redd and/or Mo because of their deals and CV isn't worth much of anything. Yi probably hasn't helped his value with his play this season, but it's likely our only movable assets will be Yi, Bogut and #7.

IDK,

If you're willing to take on poor contracts (Blount, Banks) for bad players (Blount, Banks), Redd and Mo's deal look a little more appealing.

A little, but enough to give up the best player in the deal (buy a wide margin)?

To echo DB its going to be very hard for the Bucks to move up if they end up with the #6 or #7 pick unless they include Yi or Bogut.

Just gotta hope we got some luck come lottery time I guess.

Redd could still have solid value but I think he would only have value to a team that was one piece or a #3rd option away from contending. Ibviously though there are going to be no teams like that picking at #2 this year.


A great scenario for the Bucks would be if some team that won 48 or 49 games and was one player away made a trade 5 years ago that somehow landed them the #2 pick this year.

Obviously we dont have that scenario this year.

A perfect example of what I mean,its exactly what I mean actually was Detroit in 2003.Detroit was playing in the ECF and at halftime they find out that they won the #2 pick in the draft due to a trade they made back in 1997.

If you had a team in that screnario this year it would be a great oppritunity for the Bucks to move Redd for a pick.

I'd without question include Yi in a trade to land Rose. I'd also include Bogut in a trade to get Rose, but only if no other option was possible and depending on the details of the complete trade.

It seems that the general consensus is that if Bogut is not included, any deal is acceptable (including Mo, Redd, Yi, #7). If Bogut is included, there would be debate here.

I think that's appropriate. Without Bogut, we have no good big men, and are back in the lotto next year for sure.