Would you trade Bogut for Rose?

LUKE23 · Post #1 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:29 am

Miami or New York calls Milwaukee on draft day. They want Bogut, and they are offering up the #1 pick for him (Bucks want Rose). Do you pull the trigger?

jeremyd236 · Post #2 » by **jeremyd236** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:41 am

Why would you trade the 2nd best center in our conference for a player who for all we know could be a scrub in the NBA?

You can't just judge a player based on college performances/stats. If that were the case, Bogut would be an NBA superstar.

El Duderino · Post #3 » by **El Duderino** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:44 am

My initial gut reaction is yes, but i've only seen Rose play four times i think. I'd want the ability to watch every single game he played before saying for sure yes. I'd also like to talk to all of his coaches to be positive that Rose has the great attitude and work ethic that he seems to have.

If after doing both things, my feeling is the same as after watching him in the tournament, i'd probably have to say yes.

Bucks_Revenge · Post #4 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:47 am

once again bucks fans getting excited over a game they saw...

DH34Phan · Post #5 » by **DH34Phan** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:54 am

Yes.

He will instantly be as good IMO as Bogut, and will be on a rookie contract for the next 3 years.

If this were the offer, blow it all up and build around Rose.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #6 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:54 am

If only we were all as smart and level headed as Bucks Revenge.

Meanwhile, I think El Dude has it right. I can't vote on this after seeing Rose play twice. I'd want access to every possession from this season.

There's a lot to be excited about with Rose though. I'd be willing to trade Mo/Redd/CV/#7 for him and bad contracts if it were possible to work that out amongst several teams.

But Bogut? That's our lone bright spot you're talking about.

More Bang For The Bucks · Post #7 » by **More Bang For The Bucks** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:57 am

Hmmmm, who would trade Bogut for Chris Paul or Deron Williams right now?

Enrique · Post #8 » by **Enrique** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:58 am

jerrod · Post #9 » by **jerrod** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:59 am

More Bang For The Bucks wrote:Hmmmm, who would trade Bogut for Chris Paul or Deron Williams right now?

that's a very different question

DH34Phan · Post #10 » by **DH34Phan** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:03 am

It would be pretty amazing to go into next year with Rose AND Bogut....

worthlessBucks · Post #11 » by **worthlessBucks** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:08 am

DH34Phan wrote:It would be pretty amazing to go into next year with Rose AND Bogut....

Yes it would, which is why I pray the new GM will explore the possibility, albeit likely remote one.

As for the question, I mentioned in a different thread yesterday that I'd probably do the trade without our pick. I'll gamble with Thabeet & Rose, Hibbert & Rose, or Jordan & Rose.

midranger · Post #12 » by **midranger** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:09 am

Tough call. Again, we haven't been scouting Rose since high school. I'd want some time to break down game tapes.

The contract thing is huge though IMO. We could be paying Bogut 10-12 million for the next few years or paying Rose 4-5 million. For a team in need of a rebuild, the latter certainly gives more flexibility.

No way I do it with the pick, and I explore all other options. Redd/Mo/CV/Yi/#7 would all be on the table for me.

In the end, I do it if I think Rose could be a franchise guy even if it's a 50% shot. Because I think at this point, we're looking at roughly a 0% chance of it happening with Bogut.

But, if we enter next year with Bogut, Rose, and nothing much else, I'll be ecstatic. Rome was not built in a day, and atleast that would give us a solid foundation.

th87 · Post #13 » by **th87** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:13 am

We should've tanked earlier and snuggled into the 3rd lottery spot.

El Duderino · Post #14 » by **El Duderino** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:18 am

You could also reverse the question

Say we had no franchise player and the same team minus Bogut, but we landed the first pick in the lottery. A team calls offering the same Andrew Bogut we've seen, do you trade the first choice for Andrew?

Post #15 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:18 am

I voted yes to a trade of only Bogut.....but with the condition I want to also see all his (Rose's) games.

Then I'd deal the 7th pick and Simmons for Brad Miller......and Mo for Haslem.......

I'm waffling here......this is a tough one.

jerrod · Post #16 » by **jerrod** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:19 am

El Duderino wrote:You could also reverse the question

Say we had no franchise player and the same team minus Bogut, but we landed the first pick in the lottery. A team calls offering the same Andrew Bogut we've seen, do you trade the first choice for Andrew?

i'm gonna go with no

Bucks_Revenge · Post #17 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:28 am

if we dont get into the top 2 in the draft I would want to trade anyone except for Bogut....before this game I always wanted Rose on this team.

Senor Bogut · Post #18 » by **Senor Bogut** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:35 am

Rose does us nothing if we still have Mo and Redd.

midranger · Post #19 » by **midranger** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:36 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I voted yes to a trade of only Bogut.....but with the condition I want to also see all his (Rose's) games.

Then I'd deal the 7th pick and Simmons for Brad Miller......and Mo for Haslem.......

I'm waffling here......this is a tough one.

Ugh. Why.

No rookie PG ever wins anything other than Magic Johnson. Those are some bad win-now deals when we'd be looking to win in year three with Rose and hopefully Yi hitting their stride.

In this scenario, I still trade down to pick up Rush and Dorsey, who will be good NBA role players in 3 years. Then, I trade Mo and Redd to clear Gadz and Simmons for future cap flexibility.

In 3 years we're left with (hopefully in quotes)....

Rose (franchise)
Yi (near All-Star)
2009 pick (near All-Star (we'll be really bad next year))
Rush (role player)
Dorsey (role player)
Cap Flexibility

LUKE23 · Post #20 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:39 am

Yeah, don't know where Brad Miller came from, but no way I move #7 for him, even losing Bobby's deal. I'd much rather use the pick. Miller is a guy you grab if you're a contender and need a veteran, not for a team that is going to rebuild/overhaul (hopefully).