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So why do we continually blow leads in the 4th quarter? We've already seen the "crunch time" stats, here are the stat breakdown by quarters. Top page is the 4th.

Glaring.....

Redd:
6.3 points. This puts him as the 5th more prolific 4th quarter scorer in the league. Sounds good right?

38.7% FG
26.9% 3pt
81% FT
0.86 A/TO

So, we have a guy dominating our offense in the 4th who is completely ineffectual given his terrible efficiency. Genius.


Discuss.

Not surprising. Good stats to back the Redd=anti clutch.

What do Mo's stats look like?

Redd gets double, triple teamed in the fourth quarter b/c it's so predictable what we are doing coming out of timeouts and at end of game situations.

LK should try using Redd as a decoy and get shots for Mo or Bogut in late games situations.

But nope, it's an ISO for Redd.


I'm not blaming LK for Redd's inefficiencies, I'm just saying if we tried to do something other than force feed the ball to Redd it might throw other teams off our game plan a little.

Nowak008 wrote:Not surprising. Good stats to back the Redd=anti clutch.

What do Mo's stats look like?

Not terrible, but not great, either.

5.0 PPG
43.1% FG
34.6% 3pt
87% FT
2 to 1 A/TO (1.3 to 0.6)

At least better than Redd % wise.

Charlie Bell averages more PPG in the 4th quarter than Bogut does. Though he does shoot above his averages from the field and from 3 in the 4th for whatever reason, and has a 3 to 1 A/TO ratio. Bell = teh clutch?

Bell's numbers:

3.7 PPG
43.2% FG
43.6% 3pt
75% FT
3 to 1 A/TO (1.3 to 0.4)

Bogut's numbers:

3.1 PPG
53.7% FG
59% FT
0.80 A/TO

Charlie V is also a terrible fourth quarter guy. Sub 40% shooting and 18% from 3.

Well no **** Mo shots a higher % than Redd. Do you know anything about how % work in terms of shots taken?

Redd shoots an unbelievable amount of shots in the 4th and is double or triple teamed. Even if his shots were equally as contested as Mo's, HE TAKES MORE. It's common sense that he's going to shoot a lower %.

Redd doesn't just go out there, disregard the play called, and do whatever he wants. He executes the play that LK calls.

None of these stats or justifications are relevent anyways. We're usually down 15-20 points halfway through the 4th. So when you want to sit there and bitch about Bogut not taking any shots, maybe it has something to do with him having range of 4 feet max. When you're down 29320832 points with a few minutes left, you're not going to work it in the post.

I love Bogut and I understand our 4th quarter problems, but seriously you can't sit there and just judge everyone by FG% in one quarter, especially when our pathetic team is being blown out before that quarter starts.

To me, the 4th quarter is the worst quarter to look at. Sure we've had some close games, but the majority of our losses are lost long before the 4th quarter.

jeremyd236 wrote:Well no **** Mo shots a higher % than Redd. Do you know anything about how % work in terms of shots taken?

Redd shoots an unbelievable amount of shots in the 4th and is double or triple teamed. Even if his shots were equally as contested as Mo's, HE TAKES MORE. It's common sense that he's going to shoot a lower %.

Is this guy serious?

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Is this guy serious?

lol, I know Redd has been a piece of **** in the 4th this year but I just think it's desperation to sit here and compare FG% of our players when we all know who takes the bulk of the shots. It's common sense that the person who takes the most will shoot the lowest % most of the time.

I'd hope that Bell shoots a higher % than Redd, all he does is stand there and take open 3s. I'd hope Bogut shoots a higher %, he only takes shots within 3 feet of the rim at all times.

Trade Mo and Mike. That all I got to say.

icat2000 wrote:Trade Mo and Mike. That all I got to say.

Michael Redd has something to say to you.

"I don't know what's being said; I don't see it, hardly," Redd said. "Michael Redd has always been Michael Redd. If you can't take it, it's the wrong business to be in."

MFScho doesn't agree.

jeremyd236 wrote:Well no **** Mo shots a higher % than Redd. Do you know anything about how % work in terms of shots taken?

Redd shoots an unbelievable amount of shots in the 4th and is double or triple teamed. Even if his shots were equally as contested as Mo's, HE TAKES MORE. It's common sense that he's going to shoot a lower %.

Two questions. Why is Redd shooting an unbelievable amount of shots in the 4th if he is being double and triple teamed? Second, with all those double and triple teams can I assume Redd must get a bunch or assists in the 4th period? As soon as I saw this topic I was so waiting for Jeremy or MVP4champ to come to Redd's rescue. I figured either his or MVP4champ's Redd radar would go off and one of them would have an almost immediate reply. Redd is not not worthy of your loyalty. Either way Redd sucks in the 4th quarter and its figures the stats would back it up.

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Two questions. Why is Redd shooting an unbelievable amount of shots in the 4th if he is being double and triple teamed? Second, with all those double and triple teams can I assume Redd must get a bunch or assists in the 4th period? As soon as I saw this topic I was so waiting for Jeremy or MVP4champ to come to Redd's rescue. I figured either his or MVP4champ's Redd radar would go off and one of them would have an almost immediate reply. Redd is not not worthy of your loyalty. Either way Redd sucks in the 4th quarter and its figures the stats would back it up.

Are you blind or just stupid? Do you see the post where I say Redd been a piece of **** in the 4th? Obviously not.

I know he's doing bad this year in the 4th, but these stats can't be pinned as direct evidence. We are down by 15-20 every fourth quarter.

Why is Redd taking these awful shots then? Don't ask me, ask the **** coach, the guy who calls the plays.

Hell Paul Pierce shoots a worse FG% in the 4th quarter than Redd. That's with KG and Ray Allen on his team, making him impossible to be doubled.

jeremyd236 wrote:
Why is Redd taking these awful shots then? Don't ask me, ask the **** coach, the guy who calls the plays.

This is worth finding an answer to. How much does Redd shoot in the 4th becuse he is Michael Redd, and how much does he shoot because the coach told him to?

I think Redd and Mo have been hogging it up this season, but I think when judging them, the coaching, or lack thereof, is an element. There's no doubt they have talent - so why is this team so bad?

jeremyd236 wrote:
Hell Paul Pierce shoots a worse FG% in the 4th quarter than Redd. That's with KG and Ray Allen on his team, making him impossible to be doubled.

That's probably why, just like Redd, Pierce's teams have never been anything special, until a superstar and another all star were added. He's good, but he's not great, and he's certainly not clutch.

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Two questions. Why is Redd shooting an unbelievable amount of shots in the 4th if he is being double and triple teamed? Second, with all those double and triple teams can I assume Redd must get a bunch or assists in the 4th period?

ding ding freakin' ding

bplus wrote:This is worth finding an answer to. How much does Redd shoot in the 4th becuse he is Michael Redd, and how much does he shoot because the coach told him to?

I think Redd and Mo have been hogging it up this season, but I think when judging them, the coaching, or lack thereof, is an element. There's no doubt they have talent - so why is this team so bad?

Mo and Redd have talent just like most of our roster. You just can't assemble random young guys, put them with a young coach, and expect victories. Winning teams aren't built that easy. It's about finding complimentary players and a coach who knows how to maximize each players' talents and make them play as a team.

bplus wrote:That's probably why, just like Redd, Pierce's teams have never been anything special, until a superstar and another all star were added. He's good, but he's not great, and he's certainly not clutch.

But doesn't that seem to be the general trend in the NBA? Players can't win unless they have other superstars around them.
I mean thinkabout it.... Kobe Bryant, the best player in the world hasn't been able to do **** without a Shaq or multiple stars on his team. Even Dwayne Wade has a great player like Marion and that team still sucked.

If Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryan't can't do anything without another dominant superstar on their team, why does everyone expect Michael Redd to?

Because he gets paid like those guys? Because he doesn't. Redd has the 18th highest salary in the NBA right now. Doesn't that sound about right in terms of team value? Michael Finley makes $20,000,000 but nobody bitches about that contract.