Who on current roster will be on the 08-09 roster?

[Bucks_Revenge]

I have been thinking about next season with the new GM coming in an d a good chance of a new coach. We have been talking about this team blowing up for next season. Even if the new GM decides to blow this up or not there will be some major moves involving the players and I wonder who will be the players who survive the shake up....my thought that these are the players that will still be on the team next season :

Bell
Mason
Bogut
Yi
Sessions

everyone else I think will be gone.

What do you guys think?

[smalls]

Bell
Redd(just dont think the bucks will find the right deal)
Simmons(i still think he is a very good fit on a team that plays inside out basketball)
Yi
Bogut
Ruffin(resigned)
Sessions

i think Masons expiring deal will get packaged with Gadz CV or Williams

[fam3381]

This is an excellent question.

I think a Mo trade is probably more likely just because a) a Redd deal would probably end up looking more like a salary dump while b) Mo might be able to get something of value. As much as it might need to be done, the next GM may be wary of making his first big move a salary dump where you essentially give up your leading scorer for expirings and maybe a pick or two.

So politically it's probably easier to deal Mo, especially if fans continue to see nice things from Sessions in the next couple weeks; not that Sessions is a sure thing, but the hope that he's providing will make it easier to get rid of Mo.

Aside from the reality of packaging guys to make deals happen, the only guys I'd really like to see back are:

Bogut
Yi
Sessions
Mason

I'd be happy to have Ruffin and Ivey back for min contracts as well. But everyone else I'm pretty indifferent to because of lack of production, contracts, or general spite.

[ReasonablySober]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if all the non-free agents were brought back and Larry K was replaced.

[DanoMac]

Herb Kohl

[Max Green]

Max isn't going anywhere.

[CBUCK06]

Max isn't going anywhere.

Yeah we are stuck with Redd, I think Mo is the guard to go because Sessions is ballin and Mo does have some value around the league (Haslem maybe)...

[drew881]

This is an excellent question.

I think a Mo trade is probably more likely just because a) a Redd deal would probably end up looking more like a salary dump while b) Mo might be able to get something of value. As much as it might need to be done, the next GM may be wary of making his first big move a salary dump where you essentially give up your leading scorer for expirings and maybe a pick or two.
.

You are talking as if the bucks are going to 1) Hire a GM with balls (those days are over, and 2) thinking Herb Kohl is going to let a GM trade away a high scorer for expiring deals...

[midranger]

I agree with DB.

It wouldn't shock me if everyone was brought back. Maybe a Bell deal.

My darkhorse for a trade is Yi.

1. Reports that Kohl was never very high on Yi
2. Yi was a LH guy from the start. Talked to his pop Del.
3. New GM (probably coach) will not want to wait to develop him.
4. Honestly, how many Chinese dollars has he brought?
5. CV has played decently, if inconsistently, since getting minutes.

[showtimesam]

I'm hoping Sessions is our pg, Boguts our C, and Yi can compete for the PF job.

Other than that I'd love all fresh faces, but Idk how easy Redd is going to be moved, and what we could get for Mo.

[Andrew34r]

Yi, Bogut, Sessions, D. Mase (Ivey and Ruffin would be fine as 11th and 12th guys off the bench)

I would also consider bringing back Redd if we totally changed our offense and didnt give him the chance to force up garbage. It seems at times he is going to change his ways and than other times he resorts back to ball-hogging selfishness and stupid shots. I am of the belief though that Redd would be okay with being put in a different situation if it meant the team is going to be more successful. But with that said I would still trade him for the right deal.

[showtimesam]

Yi, Bogut, Sessions, D. Mase (Ivey and Ruffin would be fine as 11th and 12th guys off the bench)

I would also consider bringing back Redd if we totally changed our offense and didnt give him the chance to force up garbage. It seems at times he is going to change his ways and than other times he resorts back to ball-hogging selfishness and stupid shots. I am of the belief though that Redd would be okay with being put in a different situation if it meant the team is going to be more successful. But with that said I would still trade him for the right deal.

Yeah I think Redd's contract may be tough to move. I'd definitely be very willing to trade him (even if it came down to expirings with a 1st round pick).

But if we do have tough coach in place, and a pg like sessions I think Redd can be alright here.

[smalls]

4. Honestly, how many Chinese dollars has he brought?
5. CV has played decently, if inconsistently, since getting minutes.

With the Chinese dollars that Yi has brought in look around the BC u have Peak on the the hoops and on the scorers table, u now have Rockwell Harley and Kohler all advertising in chinese as well. Not to mention the sudden interest in Chinese investment money for the Pabst area as well. Plus the Yi jerseys that are prolly the teams highest seller. This all comeswithin 9 months of Yi being a buck, now just picture him playin well in the olympics and comin back to the Bucks with a year of experience under his belt and avoiding the rookie wall and finding his niche on the court.

As for Cv i totally agree that he has been playing well but with our squad in such disarray it gonna be pretty tough to justify extending both bogut and cv to big contracts, and we all know CV can fall into pout mode somewhat quickly, so I think it just works out easiest for the new GM to trade him to avoid a lot of possible issues. Is it for the best

[midranger]

Peak. I know about. But that's one. Any else?

How is Yi making Herb Kohl money?

[LUKE23]

My guess:

Sessions
Redd
Simmons
Yi
Bogut
Mason
Simmons (no one will take his deal)
Gadzuric (no one will take his deal)
Bell

Mo and CV I think are the two most likely trade candidates. I think they will attempt to move Simmons and Gadzuric to no avail.

[moistie]

How is Yi making Herb Kohl money?

Midranger, try a population of 1.6 billion and an economy that currently is the sixth largest in the world and predicted to grow to the second largest by 2030. Yi gives the team an in into that market.

If he becomes a player, or even if he doesn't, he still firmly brings the eyes of the largest population of people in the world onto the Milwaukee Bucks. Consider this, at a conservative estimate- even if only 0.01% of China become serious Bucks fans due to Yi (buy a Yi jersey, watch their games regularly, etc)- that means an extra 160,000 Bucks fans and the increased revenue from sponsorship exposure into the Chinese market, sponsorship opportunities from Chinese business and potential business investment for the team and Milwaukee itself is enormous. Not to mention the tourism opportunities for Milwaukee as well.

It would make it well worth it for the Bucks and Wisconsin to be patient and see if Yi can develop into an NBA player. Because if he does you'll be sitting on a cash cow.

[paul]

Bogut
Sessions
CV
Bell
Ivey
Ruffin
Simmons
Redd

I don't know why but I have a feeling Yi will get moved, maybe to Houston (Yao) for Battier? Max would need to be called 'almost max' for him to bring back value, so he'll stay. Storey may come back as well as I think he has two years doesn't he? I think the writing has been on the wall for Mo since he went a bit haywire mid-season.

[Jollay]

Most of everybody will be here, although the new GM could very well make a significant trade.

But generally a new GM will assess the players he has firsthand for a while before shipping them off en masse, especially if he hires a new coach and wants to have his new coach assess the current.

Of course, I don't want to ruin what you guys think/hope for, but if you think both Redd and Mo are gone before next year, you are sadly, sadly, sadly mistaken.

Hate to be the guy who injects reality into these discussions, but oh well.

[ahagen87]

Here next year:

Redd
Simmions ( still think hes a good player when healthy and playing consistent minutes)
Ivey ( think hes a good back up pg/sg and good defense off the bench)
Sessions (hope he starts next yr)
Yi
Bogut
Mason (will not trade him twice)


Hopefully traded:

Bell
Mo
Cv
Gadz

Gone:

Ruffin
Storey

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I have been thinking about next season with the new GM coming in an d a good chance of a new coach. We have been talking about this team blowing up for next season. Even if the new GM decides to blow this up or not there will be some major moves involving the players and I wonder who will be the players who survive the shake up....my thought that these are the players that will still be on the team next season :

Bell
Mason
Bogut
Yi
Sessions

everyone else I think will be gone.

What do you guys think?

I imagine that Simmons and Gadzuric will also still be here unless one of them gets packaged with Mo, Redd, or Villanueva. But I predict that won't happen.

Redd might still be here too though. I'd like to see him gone too, but that is still up in the air.

I am very certain that Mo Williams will not be back.
I don't think Villanueva will be back.
I am 100% sure that Jake Voskuhl will not be back. 100% sure

Two of our three PGs will be Sessions and Bell. There is a chance that Ivey at anotehr minimum salary contract will be our third PG if we don't draft a PG in the 1st round of the draft or spend more than the minimum salary on a PG in FA or acquire one in a trade.

We will sign a third string center at the minimum salary and that could very well be Ruffin again.

4. Honestly, how many Chinese dollars has he brought?

I don't have a dollar figure, but that would definitely be an interesting story for a reporter in this town to be working on.

Unfortunately our local media are terrible. We can always hope Woelfel will pursue a story, but this particular subject probably isn't one he'd end up getting into all that detailed.

Don Walker at the MJS seems like a decent reporter to work this kind of story if he'd have the will to do it and if Garry Howard wouldn't try and block it or water it down.

Anyway, some of the dollars are harder to account for that easily directly, but could still be accounted for in some way.
There are definitely a few easier things to look at though that would at least give us the figures of a few things.

Our deal with Peak.
The difference in our advertising prices compared to any previously forecasted increase. Especially the extra money coming in from new advertising with Chinese text added in, such as Kohler, Rockwell, Harley Davidson, Briggs & Stratton, and others.

Those numbers would at least provide a partial glimpse at some of the extra revenue Yi provides as opposed to a Corey Brewer, Brandon Wright, etc.

Storey may come back as well as I think he has two years doesn't he?

The second year of Storey's contract is a team option that I hope we choose not to exercise. I see no reason for us to bring him back. That money would be better spent on non-player expenditures even.