Bucks/Cleveland TI - Redd

[DowJones]

I am a Cleveland fan and I would love to see Redd paired next to LeBron. We have tons of expiring contracts to offer you guys next year. Maybe something like this would work.

Bucks Trades:
-Michael Redd
-Charlie Bell
-Dan Gadzuric


Cleveland Trades:
-Wally Szczerbiak (expiring contract)
-Damon Jones (expiring contract)
-Eric Snow (expiring contract)
-2009 unconditional 1st round pick


It is pretty much a salary dump for the Bucks. Cleveland takes 2 bad contracts off your hands in exchange for Redd. The Bucks also get a 1st round pick out of the deal. Or if that isn't good enough then replace Bell with Simmons, who is an even worse contract. I think that deal would work because Cleveland got a nice trade exemption from the Ben Wallace deal.

[msiris]

Its one thing to do what Seattle did and get a good pick out of a trade, but what you are offering is complete garbage. This gives the Bucks nothing for the future.

[DowJones]

Ray Allen>>>>>>>>Michael Redd though. Plus you are dumping bad, bad contracts and that could be just as good as any trade that is out there for Redd. Getting rid of poor contracts is a huge step towards re-building.

[ReasonablySober]

How bad do they want Redd?

Mike Redd
Bobby Simmons
Dan Gadzuric

for

Wally
Snow
Smith
Jones

You could even keep the first rounder.

[old skool]

If the Bucks look to trade Redd - which is a possibility after back to back 50 loss seasons - they can certainly get more for him than expiring contracts and a mid-first round draft pick.

Without Redd, the Bucks need an outside scorer, a power forward and someone who can sell tickets. Cleveland does not have anything of substance to offer the Bucks (or any other team) in a trade.

oLd sKool

[DowJones]

How bad do they want Redd?

Mike Redd
Bobby Simmons
Dan Gadzuric

for

Wally
Snow
Smith
Jones

You could even keep the first rounder.

I would do that deal, but then again I wouldn't be paying the STEEP financial price that the trade would carry. Simmons, Gadzuric and even Redd have bad contracts.

Why do the Bucks want to get rid of Redd so badly? He still can score. Is he a bad teammate or is he really that bad on defense?

[old skool]

If expiring contracts were that valuable, the Cavs can put them to good use. They are a team that needs to rebuild around Lebron.

What do expiring contracts get you? A team can go out and sign Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones. That type of move was questionable for a team with budding superstar like Lebron. It would be a disaster for a team like the Bucks.

oLd sKool

[DowJones]

Obviously you have to spend that money wisely. Cleveland did a pathetic job, but other teams have done much better. Just look at the Hornets. They went out and did a sign and trade for Tyson Chandler and then they grabbed Peja. The Magic went out and got Rashard Lewis...even if they overpaid him, he is still productive. Others have been signed through free agency as well...guys like Boozer, Joe Johnson, etc.

I do agree that you would be giving up a good player in Redd for little talent in return, but getting rid of bad contracts is huge. You never want to have bad contracts on your hands in the NBA.

[ReasonablySober]

If expiring contracts were that valuable, the Cavs can put them to good use. They are a team that needs to rebuild around Lebron.

What do expiring contracts get you? A team can go out and sign Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones. That type of move was questionable for a team with budding superstar like Lebron. It would be a disaster for a team like the Bucks.

oLd sKool

Salary cap space, which in turn allows you to take back large contracts in a trade.

[LUKE23]

Make it the 2008 unconditional first and I'd think about it.

[europa]

If the Cavs want Redd (or Mo) they need to bring a third team into the mix. They have nothing I'd want to trade either Redd or Mo for. Their late first in a so-so draft has no value to me and neither do guys like Wally World.

[DowJones]

Make it the 2008 unconditional first and I'd think about it.

I'm not sure Cleveland can trade back to back 1st rounders. They gave away their 1st rounder last year in a previous move.

[ReasonablySober]

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I'm not sure Cleveland can trade back to back 1st rounders. They gave away their 1st rounder last year in a previous move.

They could do it in a draft day deal, I believe.

[showtimesam]

If the bucks can dump the contracts of simmons and gadz along with redd for expirers I'm in.

Eventually the bucks need to clear away some of the garbage and this move would accomplish that quickly.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Salary cap space, which in turn allows you to take back large contracts in a trade.

Or if you've been reading the various Bucks blogs over the past couple days, you'll see that shedding salary could be necessary in order to keep Bogut. I'd be ok with the trade you suggested (Redd/Simmons/Gadz for Smith/Snow/Wally/Jones).

That would give us two veterans (Smith and Snow) who could be a positive locker room influence on our young team next year, plus a decent player on an expiring deal (Wally Z) who could potentially be swapped for a crappy expiring and a late 1st rounder around the trade deadline.

If this trade were done, I would look at our roster like this:

Young developing players: Bogut, Yi, Sessions, both '08 draft picks
Trade bait: Mo, CV, Bell
Veteran leaders: Mason, Smith, Snow
Perhaps better to just waive him: Jones

[Neapolitan Buck]

The trade could be very good for us, but I believe that it would damage us because we would help a division rival to make the next step. Last year LBJ brought the Cavs to the Finals with a Euroleague-level supporting cast. Redd is perfect to play alongside him. They would be very good (Gadz and Bobby apart lol), too good to not be better than us for the next 5 years at least.

[Neapolitan Buck]

The trade could be very good for us, but I believe that it would damage us because we would help a division rival to make the next step. Last year LBJ brought the Cavs to the Finals with a Euroleague-level supporting cast. Redd is perfect to play alongside him. They would be very good (Gadz and Bobby apart lol), too good to not be better than us for the next 5 years at least.

[L Gator]

Who cares if we make the Cavs stronger? We aren't going to be competing with them for at least two years. At that time they will have to replace Big Z, all their depth and LeBron can opt out if he wishes. Trading Redd to Cleveland does not bother me at all. Plus we know his strengths and weakness'.

[skones]

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I'm not sure Cleveland can trade back to back 1st rounders. They gave away their 1st rounder last year in a previous move.

You can't be missing two consecutive first rounders at once. Since the 2007 draft is past, that pick no longer becomes relevant. As long as you have your 2009 first, it is ok to deal your 2008 first.

[Max Green]

If the Cavs want Redd (or Mo) they need to bring a third team into the mix. They have nothing I'd want to trade either Redd or Mo for. Their late first in a so-so draft has no value to me and neither do guys like Wally World.