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New Coach Idea
I have an idea for a new head coach for the Bucks.
1. - This guy has been a head coach in the NBA, making the playoffs once in two seasons.
2. - He was a successful player, making the playoffs 16 times in 17 seasons as an NBA player. A two time All-Star at PG, he appeared in 92 career playoff games.
3. - He is a better head coach candidate now than he was when given his first chance several years ago. When he got his first head coach job, he was only one season removed from being an active player and had only one season as an assistant coach. After losing his head coaching job, he has spent most of the last three years as an assistant with a perennial Eastern Conference powerhouse.
I present, for your consideration - Terry Porter.
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1. - This guy has been a head coach in the NBA, making the playoffs once in two seasons.
2. - He was a successful player, making the playoffs 16 times in 17 seasons as an NBA player. A two time All-Star at PG, he appeared in 92 career playoff games.
3. - He is a better head coach candidate now than he was when given his first chance several years ago. When he got his first head coach job, he was only one season removed from being an active player and had only one season as an assistant coach. After losing his head coaching job, he has spent most of the last three years as an assistant with a perennial Eastern Conference powerhouse.
I present, for your consideration - Terry Porter.
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I had no problem with Terry Porter......as long as they also kept Mike Schuler a former coach of the year as his lead assistant. Seemed like a decent team. It wasn't Larry Brown but it also wasn't Stotts and Larry K. either.
The last two guys have been severly hindered by having inexperienced assistant coaches......we needed a former head coach as an assistant these last three seasons.
The last two guys have been severly hindered by having inexperienced assistant coaches......we needed a former head coach as an assistant these last three seasons.
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Terry Porter was a bad coach. I'll hold my position on that. He was not head coach material. I was actually very happy we fired him, but only because I expected a better replacement. Of course, compared to stotts and krykowiak he looks good, but anyone looks good compared to those two.
And I don't want to hear that argument that porter got us to the playoffs with worse talent. We had good talent on that team. We had a pass first point guard, some good veteran players, and a better defensive team that year. Mason was old mason, damon jones was playing the best ball he's played in his career, we had a good team. Porter didn't have a clue what he was doing.
Enough of these garbage suggestions. You want to act like you expect more than mediocrity? Then suggest some real winners. Enough of this mediocre bullcrap.
And I don't want to hear that argument that porter got us to the playoffs with worse talent. We had good talent on that team. We had a pass first point guard, some good veteran players, and a better defensive team that year. Mason was old mason, damon jones was playing the best ball he's played in his career, we had a good team. Porter didn't have a clue what he was doing.
Enough of these garbage suggestions. You want to act like you expect more than mediocrity? Then suggest some real winners. Enough of this mediocre bullcrap.
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paulpressey25 wrote:The last two guys have been severly hindered by having inexperienced assistant coaches......we needed a former head coach as an assistant these last three seasons.
So if, let's say "hypothetically," LH had tried to bring in Del to be one of LK's assistants but Herb nixed it...how would you have felt about that?
Certainly wouldn't have made us any worse IMO.
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fam3381 wrote:-=So if, let's say "hypothetically," LH had tried to bring in Del to be one of LK's assistants but Herb nixed it...how would you have felt about that? .
I believe that actually happened.....did it not?
Another case of Herb meddling......
It would have helped. I know why Herb won't interview Bill Simmons....he's already got an ESPN writer (B. James) on his coaching staff.
Porter over-achieved his first year. His second year he started out with less talent than the year before (No TJ, no TT, no Przzy, no Damon Jones, no Skinner) Those were all key people. By February of that year (2005) the team was 8-4. Then Larry and Herb decided to dump KVH and Mike James for the tankfest. Not Porter's fault.
All I know is one guy took a bunch of misfits and half a TJ Ford and got it to 41-wins and the playoffs.
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I was not enamored with Terry Porter. I was not displeased when he was let go. And I agree that Mike Shuler might have been the key to any coaching success that season (as fans, we can't tell one way or another).
I only list Porter as a coaching idea because of the available guys with head coaching experience, he might legitimately be on the upside.
Yes, I would rather see a Jeff Van Gundy or Rick Carlisle. Maybe even a Doug Collins or Mike Fratello. But the list of available coaches is pretty short. Eliminate the senior citizen crowd (Wilkins, Daly, Hubie Brown, Larry Brown). Then it becomes retreads or wannabes or (NCAA) worse.
I realize that the chances of Porter returning to the team that stabbed him in the back are about the same as Desmond Mason forgiving Larry Harris for sending him packing.
Just a thought.
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I only list Porter as a coaching idea because of the available guys with head coaching experience, he might legitimately be on the upside.
Yes, I would rather see a Jeff Van Gundy or Rick Carlisle. Maybe even a Doug Collins or Mike Fratello. But the list of available coaches is pretty short. Eliminate the senior citizen crowd (Wilkins, Daly, Hubie Brown, Larry Brown). Then it becomes retreads or wannabes or (NCAA) worse.
I realize that the chances of Porter returning to the team that stabbed him in the back are about the same as Desmond Mason forgiving Larry Harris for sending him packing.
Just a thought.
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Here's a name I didn't feel like starting a thread for, but would be interesting and create some "name" buzz.
I don't know how well he'd do in a head coach role, but if we can't get somebody real and experienced, I would give this guy a shot
Patrick Ewing
He's one of the best big men over the last 25 years and now he has been an assitant to some of the leagues best young big men, Yao and Dwight.
Surely he could help Yi and Bogut more than anyone we've ever had.
I think I could be excited about a Patrick Ewing head coach, Sidney Moncrief defensive assistant and then a couple of real experienced assistant coaches.
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Here's a name I didn't feel like starting a thread for, but would be interesting and create some "name" buzz.
I don't know how well he'd do in a head coach role, but if we can't get somebody real and experienced, I would give this guy a shot
Patrick Ewing
He's one of the best big men over the last 25 years and now he has been an assitant to some of the leagues best young big men, Yao and Dwight.
Surely he could help Yi and Bogut more than anyone we've ever had.
I think I could be excited about a Patrick Ewing head coach, Sidney Moncrief defensive assistant and then a couple of real experienced assistant coaches.
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How many times in the history of the NBA did a team with 4 starters who did not play for that team the previous year get a playoff spot and who coached it? What NBA team last season had as much injured time than the Bucks?
Both Porter and Stotts did not receive sufficient time, given circumstances. One because of an internal situation, including star players, and the other because of a combination of an internal situation, an unhappy with the choice GM, and a fanbase unwilling to give a fair chance to someone beneath their expectations. And the franchise paid the price for this stupidity.
I am tired of people who couldn't coach an elementary school team to victory and whose knowledge of the game has been exposed on this forum to be at best sophomoric sprinkled with a biased eye demeaning the performance of any head coach. The certitude of your evaluations regarding NBA coaching is quite ridiculous.
Both Porter and Stotts did not receive sufficient time, given circumstances. One because of an internal situation, including star players, and the other because of a combination of an internal situation, an unhappy with the choice GM, and a fanbase unwilling to give a fair chance to someone beneath their expectations. And the franchise paid the price for this stupidity.
I am tired of people who couldn't coach an elementary school team to victory and whose knowledge of the game has been exposed on this forum to be at best sophomoric sprinkled with a biased eye demeaning the performance of any head coach. The certitude of your evaluations regarding NBA coaching is quite ridiculous.
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europa wrote:Porter was not a good head coach.
The sad thing is the two head coaches who followed him have been even worse.
Cheap shot coming from you!!! TS got this group of players to the playoffs, and don't tell me how that team was better with Magliore, Kukoc and etc. ......... Where are they now???
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You mean dependence on a Kukoc who could not pass the physical a couple months later? You mean a Magloire who is barely in the league? YOu mean a Bogut who was a rookie playing out of position and only in '08 (not the season, but the year) looks like a high first rounder? You mean with a Simmons who simply was not as healthy as was during his only good NBA season? You mean Ford who was not in the NBA for 1.5 years? Yea, with this great influx of talent and the oldsters held together by tape, somehow with such an inferior coach got to the playoffs. Terrible coach, obviously worse than Terry Porter and on the par with LK.
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bigzy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Cheap shot coming from you!!! TS got this group of players to the playoffs, and don't tell me how that team was better with Magliore, Kukoc and etc. ......... Where are they now???
It wasn't meant as a cheap shot, bigzy. I think Stotts' first team was more talented than Porter's first team and yet Porter, in my opinion, got more out of his players than Stotts did with his.
I've said many, many, many times I think Stotts is a smart basketball man and a strong assistant head coach. I just don't think he's cut out to be an NBA head coach. That really shouldn't be taken as an insult. Some people are born to be strong assistants but don't have it in them to be strong leaders.
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Epicurus wrote:You mean dependence on a Kukoc who could not pass the physical a couple months later? You mean a Magloire who is barely in the league? YOu mean a Bogut who was a rookie playing out of position and only in '08 (not the season, but the year) looks like a high first rounder? You mean with a Simmons who simply was not as healthy as was during his only good NBA season? You mean Ford who was not in the NBA for 1.5 years? Yea, with this great influx of talent and the oldsters held together by tape, somehow with such an inferior coach got to the playoffs. Terrible coach, obviously worse than Terry Porter and on the par with LK.
I am one of 4 or 5 people on this forum who actually thought Stotts did well.
But I'm just curious, doesn't the above post go against what you have been saying for years that the players' talent matters, and not the coach quite so much?
If the players were all as bad as you make them out to be, it would seem that the coach WAS the most important variable of that team.
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