mia/mil/indy

miamiballer · Post #1 » by **miamiballer** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:17 pm

what do you think about this trade

miami trades: marion, banks
miami gets: JO

mil trades: redd, des mason, 2008 2nd
mil gets: shawn marion, marcus banks

indy trades: JO
indy gets: redd, mason, mil 08 2nd

jeremyd236 · Post #2 » by **jeremyd236** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:19 pm

That leaves us with Marion, Simmons, CV, Yi, Bogut, and Gadzuric at the forward and center positions.

That leaves us with Mo and Sessions at PG still.

bigredbadger · Post #3 » by **bigredbadger** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:20 pm

why would miami want to give up marion for oneal, especially if they get beasley

miamiballer · Post #4 » by **miamiballer** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:21 pm

i'd consider it if we get derrick rose...we need a bigman and JO may or may not be the answer but his contract isnt too long so it might be worth a shot

Post #5 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:24 pm

Banks' contract sucks, but I'd do it simply because Marion's deal is expiring. We could flip it next February for a pick.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #6 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:24 pm

I didn't think Miami can trade Marion. What's the deal with that?

Post #7 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:26 pm

adamcz wrote:I didn't think Miami can trade Marion. What's the deal with that?

Can't they move him if he exercises his option?

For the record, I see him opting out this summer.

Post #8 » by **blkout** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:27 pm

Marion is awesome, I'd do it just to get him.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #9 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:44 pm

I don't see why we would be adding a draft pick to move Redd and Mason for Marion and Banks.

Post #10 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:49 pm

adamcz wrote:I don't see why we would be adding a draft pick to move Redd and Mason for Marion and Banks.

You don't? Marion's quite a bit better than Redd and has an extremely moveable contract.

miamiballer · Post #11 » by **miamiballer** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:52 pm

based on convos w/ indy fans would you be opposed to including charlie v and storee instead of des mason and the 2nd...i think everyone would agree to that deal after

mia

o'neal
haslem
wright/j. jones?
wade
rose

indy

foster/
charlie v/kevin love?
granger
redd
tinsley

mil

bogut
yi
marion
eric gordon?
mo

miamiballer · Post #12 » by **miamiballer** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:53 pm

and its possible we could work out a mo for haslem deal later on but 1st things 1st...i think we make great trade partners btw

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #13 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:58 pm

Yeah, I guess you're right about that. I was thinking about how Marion has been a cancer in both Phoenix and Miami, but then again, Redd doesn't exactly bring leadership either. So I guess it is short moveable contract vs three long years.

MajorDad · Post #14 » by **MajorDad** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:07 pm

I can't see trading our best player who is locked up long term for a guy who will leave at the first opportunity. it's not like any other all stars are going to come to Milwaukee to replace marion once he leaves. jus t beause he wil have an expiring contract doesn't mea n the bucks will be able to turn it into anything worth while.

Who was the last quality free agent the bucks signed ? Simmons? mason? When was the last time the bucks pulled off a lopsided trade? ford fo CV?

I see no improvement acquiring marion.

Redd would be a great player if he was the second best bucks player and if his other guard loved to play defense and was able to control the flow of the game. The bucks don't need marion. What they need is a guard who can complememnt redd and cover his flaws. Mo is not that player because Mo is too much like redd. mo has a lot of talent, but he doesn't play defense. The Bucks would be better off with a less talented point guard who could distribute the ball, play defense and allow redd to do his reggie miller imitations.

Post #15 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:11 pm

MajorDad wrote:I can't see trading our best player who is locked up long term for a guy who will leave at the first opportunity. it's not like any other all stars are going to come to Milwaukee to replace marion once he leaves. jus t beause he wil have an expiring contract doesn't mea n the bucks will be able to turn it into anything worth while.

Who was the last quality free agent the bucks signed ? Simmons? mason? When was the last time the bucks pulled off a lopsided trade? ford fo CV?

I see no improvement acquiring marion.

Redd would be a great player if he was the second best bucks player and if his other guard loved to play defense and was able to control the flow of the game. The bucks don't need marion. What they need is a guard who can complememnt redd and cover his flaws. Mo is not that player because Mo is too much like redd. mo has a lot of talent, but he doesn't play defense. The Bucks would be better off with a less talented point guard who could distribute the ball, play defense and allow redd to do his reggie miller imitations.

Then you're looking at the deal the wrong way. Marion wouldn't even be given a chance to leave; he'd be dealt before having a chance to do-so.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #16 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:17 pm

MajorDad wrote:I can't see trading our best player

Bogut wasn't mentioned in this deal.

Redd would be a great player if he was the second best bucks player and if his other guard loved to play defense and was able to control the flow of the game.

That's a lot of "ifs" for a player who takes up over a third of the salary cap. I agree that Redd would be better if he had Gary Payton next to him, but that doesn't mean that having him around at $17 million a year is going to help us win a championship.

MajorDad · Post #17 » by **MajorDad** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:30 pm

drugbust, are you saying we'd trade redd for marion and then trade marion immediately for a different player? why not just trade redd for that different player to begin with? i have no problem in trading redd, but i would like to trade him and get a quality player in return who will be here awhile. and by quality player, I don't mean a guy like rickey Davis. I mean a guy who has made the all star team at least once and can put up 20 points a game. I'd also like to acquire a star player who has a few years on his contract. I'd like to acquire Artest.

put Artest at smal forward; allow Mo to be a Sg, and find a pg, or find a point guard put artest at sf and draft mayo or gordon to start at sg and allow Mo to be a 6th man.

I have no problems with trading both redd and Mo. But I want something in return.

I don't really care about the character off court issues of NBA players. it's not as if the past Bucks were squeaky clean off the court. Big Dog and Vin baker had just as many off the court issues as randolph and Artest have had. it's just the Mil Journal doesnt report much of anything about bucks players.

Kerb Hohl · Post #18 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:32 pm

miamiballer wrote:based on convos w/ indy fans would you be opposed to including charlie v and storee instead of des mason and the 2nd...i think everyone would agree to that deal after

mia

o'neal
haslem
wright/j. jones?
wade
rose

indy

foster/
charlie v/kevin love?
granger
redd
tinsley

mil

bogut
yi
marion
eric gordon?
mo

Puke.

Post #19 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:35 pm

MajorDad wrote:drugbust, are you saying we'd trade redd for marion and then trade marion immediately for a different player? why not just trade redd for that different player to begin with? i have no problem in trading redd, but i would like to trade him and get a quality player in return who will be here awhile. and by quality player, I don't mean a guy like rickey Davis. I mean a guy who has made the all star team at least once and can put up 20 points a game. I'd also like to acquire a star player who has a few years on his contract. I'd like to acquire Artest.

put Artest at smal forward; allow Mo to be a Sg, and find a pg, or find a point guard put artest at sf and draft mayo or gordon to start at sg and allow Mo to be a 6th man.

I have no problems with trading both redd and Mo. But I want something in return.

I don't really care about the character off court issues of NBA players. it's not as if the past Bucks were squeaky clean off the court. Big Dog and Vin baker had just as many off the court issues as randolph and Artest have had. it's just the Mil Journal doesnt report much of anything about bucks players.

Because Marion has more trade value. He's the better player and has a better contract. Come February, the Bucks would probably see offers from teams looking to make a Finals push and believe Marion to be the missing piece. But they'd also see offers from teams looking to dump salary.

All this said, I don't know why Miami makes this deal.

PaBuck · Post #20 » by **PaBuck** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:50 pm

[quote="MajorDad"]drugbust, are you saying we'd trade redd for marion and then trade marion immediately for a different player? why not just trade redd for that different player to begin with? i have no problem in trading redd, but i would like to trade him and get a quality player in return who will be here awhile. and by quality player, I don't mean a guy like rickey Davis. I mean a guy who has made the all star team at least once and can put up 20 points a game. I'd also like to acquire a star player who has a few years on his contract. I'd like to acquire Artest.

put Artest at smal forward; allow Mo to be a Sg, and find a pg, or find a point guard put artest at sf and draft mayo or gordon to start at sg and allow Mo to be a 6th man.

I have no problems with trading both redd and Mo. But I want something in return.

Good Call! The trade is too risky and does little for the Bucks. Am not that certain that Marion is more valuable than Redd. It really is dependent on the team involved.