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Ramon is averaging 5.9 FGA per game in his rookie season.
Mo averaged 5.3 FGA per game in his rookie season.
As an NBA rookie, Ramon takes more shots per game than Mo did.


Ramon has increased his shooting since he was inserted in the starting lineup. In the last three games he is averaging 10.3 FGA per game.
Mo is averaging 13.9 FGA per game. But Mo makes more shots.

In his last three games, Ramon has missed an average of 6.3 FGA per game.
This season, Mo has missed an average of 7.2 FGA per game.

I don't see that Ramon, in the long run, is all that much less of a shooting PG than Mo. I see a lot of Mo in Ramon. I hope that he continues to develop, but I don't see him as an instant upgrade over Mo in 2008-09.

oLd sKool

This thread has the potential to get ugly.

Sessions is playing about 10 minutes more per game as a starter than Mo did. You didn't factor that into your calculations.

Nobody here would argue that Sessions is a better shooter. In the Sessions thread, I clearly stated that Mo was a far superior shooter even in his first season with the Bucks than Sessions is now.

I don't see any Mo in Sessions. I think that's a big reason why I'm so excited about his potential and what he's shown so far. He's the anti-Mo in a lot of ways.

I don't know why anyone would expect anything else. This is a guy that averaged 15 FGA per game in the D-League.

old skool wrote:Ramon is averaging 5.9 FGA per game in his rookie season.
Mo averaged 5.3 FGA per game in his rookie season.
As an NBA rookie, Ramon takes more shots per game than Mo did.

Are you getting paid by Mo to post this or something?

Mo shot .39 times per minute in his rookie season.
Ramon shoots .25 times per minute.

Pretty bizzare thread..

The difference between Mo and Sessions is Sessions is a scorer along with a disher, Mo is usually one or the other.

I think Sessions has GREAT potential. But we should not ignore the fact that he shoots more per game than Mo did when Mo was a rookie.

I think that Sessions potential is more about his ability to distribute while seeing the floor. But he does not look top be bashful on the shooting end of things.

oLd sKool

RingtheBell wrote:The difference between Mo and Sessions is Sessions is a scorer along with a disher, Mo is usually one or the other.

Sessions has one ugly shot. If that doesn't change he will never be more than a backup.

old skool wrote:I think Sessions has GREAT potential. But we should not ignore the fact that he shoots more per game than Mo did when Mo was a rookie.l

A more legitimate comparison would be when both were starters. In Mo's first season with the Bucks he averaged 9.2 FG attempts in 28 minutes per game. Sessions is averaging 10.4 attempts in 40 minutes per game. If we project Mo out to 40 minutes per game to match up with Sessions' current average his FG attempts would increase to 13 per game.

Mo shot more as a starter than Sessions has so far.

old skool wrote:I think Sessions has GREAT potential. But we should not ignore the fact that he shoots more per game than Mo did when Mo was a rookie.

I think that Sessions potential is more about his ability to distribute while seeing the floor. But he does not look top be bashful on the shooting end of things.

oLd sKool

You have to take minutes into account if you're going to compare FGA.

He's getting comfortable and is taking some shots. Sure his % leaves a little to be desired, but when you're talking the difference between 10.3 and 13.9, you're talking about roughly 35% difference. That's a pretty large difference. But if you want to argue in that mind, and say that that's a minimal margin of change, are you too saying that the relative difference in apg as each respectable player as a starter is also negligible at best?

I hate when people only look at stats and not the actual game. ...

My point is that rookies tend to shoot less than veterans.

We have seen Sessions in his "new rookie" mode. Ten games into it, he has already increased his shot attempts. Sessions could increase his shot attempts in subsequent years, just like Mo did.

oLd sKool

old skool wrote:I think Sessions has GREAT potential. But we should not ignore the fact that he shoots more per game than Mo did when Mo was a rookie.

I think that Sessions potential is more about his ability to distribute while seeing the floor. But he does not look top be bashful on the shooting end of things.

oLd sKool

He shoots more as a rookie, and hes also doing a lot better as a rookie.

Sessions is already averaging the same amount assist as Mo. But Mo assist numbers has never gone up even when he got more minutes. But his shots has. Mo is a goner.

old skool wrote:My point is that rookies tend to shoot less than veterans.

We have seen Sessions in his "new rookie" mode. Ten games into it, he has already increased his shot attempts. Sessions could increase his shot attempts in subsequent years, just like Mo did.

oLd sKool

Not with a new coach. I think he will stay around 10 a game if he stays around 10 assist a game.

You don't honestly think Ramon Sessions is going to average 10 assists per game, do you?

DrugBust wrote:You don't honestly think Ramon Sessions is going to average 10 assists per game, do you?

since he's gonna break jackson's record he's gonna have to



edit: is it mark jackson? i can't remember all of a sudden

I have only see Sessions play a couple of times. I like what I see, but some of the games that he has played in have had the feel of pre-season games. I don't get too excited about a great effort against a team like the Celtics while they are resting Garnett, Allen and Pierce for much of the game.

I see no reason to bash Sessions. I see room for enthusiasm and hope. I am, however, trying to temper that with a more balanced perspective.

I agree with MD, that from what I have seen in the few games that I have attended, he looks like a solid backup, but that he will have to improve markedly to ever become a starter in the NBA.

oLd sKool

adamcz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you getting paid by Mo to post this or something?

Mo shot .39 times per minute in his rookie season.
Ramon shoots .25 times per minute.

Pretty bizzare thread..

This is what it comes down to.

Also, Mo's first year with the Bucks: .66 Assist/FGA
Ramon this year: 1.01 Assist/FGA
Mo this year: .46 Assist/FGA

So Ramon shoots about 64% as frequently as Mo in the same juncture in both of their careers, and racks up 53% more assists relative to each shot taken when comparing Ramon's rookie season to Mo's best assist rate year.

Mo's PPR his first year here: 5.48
This year: 3.93
And Ramon: 8.21

Now let's do assist/TO ratio:

Mo's first year: 2.47
This year: 2.3
Ramon: 2.97

I'm sensing a trend.

Let's do assists/40mp:

Mo's first and best year: 8.6
This year: 7
Ramon: 10.2

For the hell of it, let's throw in free throws attempted/40, just to see if they're similar in any way:

Mo's first year: 2.9
This year: 3.2
Ramon: 3.5

Pretty close. Of course, since Ramon takes 2/3 the shots Mo's ever taken and still gets to the line more often, it's fair to say that Ramon is taking his shots in different ways than Mo.

Conclusion: They are the same.