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Vecsey: Hammond looking at Skiles or Carlisle 

Post#1 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:38 pm

Say what you want about Vecsey, but he's gotten the details right more often than not in recent memory so here's what he has to say about Hammonds job search.


Some interesting info on Skiles departure from Chicago as well. Skiles was the one who wanted out.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152008/sp ... htm?page=2

April 15, 2008 -- THE only mystery surrounding the final frames of the regular season is whether a coach is fired before Isiah Thomas.

If KnicksNew York Knicks president Donnie Walsh wants to be first on the NBA block to begin reversing his team's suffering, he'd best have his ax blade sharpened and in the wield position because inexperienced heads are about to roll.

Barring divine intervention, Larry Krystkowiak, Marc Iavaroni and Jim Boylan are days away from dismissal by the Bucks, Grizzlies and Bulls, respectively.

Two others on Uneasy Street, Lawrence Frank and Sam Vincent, recently received votes of confidence - from Nets president Rod Thorn and Bobcats owner Bob Johnson, respectively.

Showing no onions or the ability to identify new head-coaching substance, the decision makers at Milwaukee, Memphis and Chicago are rounding up the same old suspects as replacements either because they're managing scared or they're appeasing owrnership.

The names rollirng off the lips of Sen. Herb Kohl, Michael Heisley and Jerry Reinsdorf are almost Identical - Larry Brown, Scott Skiles, Rick Carlisle, Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Fratello. The above owners may not insist (newly appointed GM) John Hammond, Chris Wallace (if not supplanted by Next Town) and John Paxson hire their exact choicer, but, guaranteed, it'll turn out to be one of those five; Heisley is the lone owner of the three looking to do things relatively on the cheap.

Hammond, who's bringing Jeff Weltman with him from Detroit (Sonics assistant GM Scott Perry will return to the Pistons where he worked for seven seasons) has a connection with Brown dating back to the Clippers when he assisted him on the sidelines. They also were together in Detroit.

Sources say their relationship is strained, yet they have spoken within the last 72 hours.

"Don't let that fool you," a second source underlined. "John is considering either Skiles or Carlisle, no one else."

Carlisle also is the leading contender to replace Boylan, who moved over 36 inches on the Bulls bench when Skiles was bought out of his contract. Yes, you read it right; bought out of his contract.

Contrary to what you were spoon-fed to believe, Skiles was not fired. He asked out early and often this season, telling superiors he felt he wasn't the right guy for the job and that he wasn't getting through to the players anymore. Their approach and the team's record reflect as much.

Reinsdorf refused to let him walk away from his obligation unless he gave up a portion (I don't know the forfeited amount) of his remaining guarantee.

That's all from an infallible authority and confirmed by others in the know.
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Post#2 » by LUKE23 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:44 pm

Well, if Carlisle, JVG, Skiles, and LB are the contenders, we are looking at a major coaching upgrade regardless. Here is how I'd rank them:

1. Carlisle
2. JVG
3. Skiles



4. LB
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Post#3 » by Debit One » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:47 pm

If we get Skiles as a coach I retract all prior statements about wanting to see Mo shipped out. I'd pay good money to watch Skiles and Mo interact. It would be priceless.
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Post#4 » by europa » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:55 pm

I'd prefer Van Gundy over Skiles but I'd much rather get Skiles than Brown. So this looks like a no-lose situation for the Bucks.
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Post#5 » by LUKE23 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:57 pm

All the coaches mentioned so far are extremely defensive-minded, so that is a good thing. There isn't any doubt as to where the emphasis is going to be this offseason.
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Post#6 » by Legend_Returns » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:59 pm

If we get Skiles, we're still completely screwed!

If we get Skiles, we might as well have kept Larry Krapstowiak! :banghead:

Skiles = Krapstowiak with slightly bigger b@lls!

The result of hiring Skiles will be the same as it was this season, and given the way this season went, the players will probably quit on the coach quicker next season than they did this season. The only difference then would be Skiles standing there with smoke shooting out his ears, where Krapstowiak just went and sat on the bench with his tail between his legs.

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Post#7 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:09 pm

europa wrote:I'd prefer Van Gundy over Skiles but I'd much rather get Skiles than Brown. So this looks like a no-lose situation for the Bucks.
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Post#8 » by carmelbrownqueen » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:09 pm

I can't see Skiles being willing to take his buddies job here in Milwaukee.. so I think Carlisle is the man for the job. I think JVG is a skilled coach but he stagnates the offense a bit which concerns me.
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Post#9 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:12 pm

I don't think Skiles relationship with LK would allow him to not take a job.

Using common sense, I'm betting that Skiles and his family have roots set up in Chicago where he's been the coach for 5 years I believe.

If a decent job offer came his way from 90 miles away in Milwaukee, he'd probably consider it b/c his family could stay where they are.


That said Rick Carlisle is my number one choice and the other candidates aren't close (in my mind)
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Post#10 » by NotYoAvgNBAFan » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:14 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Well, if Carlisle, JVG, Skiles, and LB are the contenders, we are looking at a major coaching upgrade regardless. Here is how I'd rank them:

1. Carlisle
2. JVG
3. Skiles



4. LB
I did not even factor in Mike Fratello! He would be an excellent choice as well.

Forgot all about him...He would be an excellent coach to bring in as well!
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Post#11 » by jerrod » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:18 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Well, if Carlisle, JVG, Skiles, and LB are the contenders, we are looking at a major coaching upgrade regardless. Here is how I'd rank them:

1. Carlisle
2. JVG
3. Skiles



4. LB



i like the order, but i might have put a few more lines betweens skiles and lb
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Post#12 » by REDDzone » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:20 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Well, if Carlisle, JVG, Skiles, and LB are the contenders, we are looking at a major coaching upgrade regardless. Here is how I'd rank them:

1. Carlisle
2. JVG
3. Skiles



4. LB



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Post#13 » by Nebula1 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:25 pm

Please let it be Carlisle.
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Post#14 » by Balls2TheWalls » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:26 pm

I gotta agree with the point that this is a no lose position for the Bucks. If Larry Brown is the worst coach that we are even considering, I have to be happy with John Hammond and even Kohl.
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Post#15 » by coolhandluke121 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:40 pm

I don't think there's a single player on the entire team who would benefit from playing for an authoritarian coach. Not even Bogut who despite being an intelligent player needs freedom - he proved as much by playing much better after Majerus left Utah.

Even if a ton of trades are made, the core of this team has to be able to play with some freedom to be productive. Skiles, Carlisle, JVG, and Brown would all just butt heads with these guys constantly. The team has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut, and we need a coach who can channel that. George Karl, Don Nelson, Jim O'Brien, Rick Adelman - those are the kind of coaches we need.
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Re: Vecsey: Hammond looking at Skiles or Carlisle 

Post#16 » by austuf » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:46 pm

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Hammond, who's bringing Jeff Weltman with him from Detroit [/quote]

Do we know anything about this guy?

GAD should be happy as there is one more body in the front office already.
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Post#17 » by Bucks_Revenge » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:47 pm

According to ESPN and the wiretap Don Nelson not sure if he is coming back as coach....


I really doubt Hammonds goes with an offensive coach. Hammond will get a guy who is known for defense.
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Post#18 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:50 pm

Nellie will never work for Kohl.
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Post#19 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:56 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote: the core of this team has to be able to play with some freedom to be productive. Skiles, Carlisle, JVG, and Brown would all just butt heads with these guys constantly. The team has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut, and we need a coach who can channel that. George Karl, Don Nelson, Jim O'Brien, Rick Adelman - those are the kind of coaches we need.


I think save for Larry K., who has been completely ineffective for other reasons, we've had "players coaches" now for the last 10 years.....I'm not sure freedom necessarily gets you anywhere.

Who is Carlisle going to butt heads with should the team trade Mo/CV and maybe Redd this summer?

You had a free spirit in Iverson, who not coincidentally had his best professional success under the discipline of Larry Brown.

I'm all for a guy like Carlisle......
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Post#20 » by TheTrivium » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:51 pm

WOW, Skiles is like the same coach as Larry K was, but worse, if our players got pissed off by Larry K, Skiles will piss them off even worse. We need a hardazz, but they also need to have people skills, and carry a lot more clout. Carlisle and Brown fit that bill, I dont think Coach K going all Scarface on all the players works with this crowd, Skiles is just more of the same.

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