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Post#1 » by ReddManBogieMan » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:23 am

I found this to be very interesting coming from the guy everyone calls a "non-leader" because he doesn't speak up. Turns out he just tried to be professional and not bash LK in the media or in private.

One of the overriding themes of the season was the inability of guard Michael Redd and Krystkowiak to get on the same page, something that Redd addressed after the game in Minnesota.

"There wasn't a huge chemistry there, obviously," Redd said. "But I'm professional and he was professional about it, and we had a professional working relationship. But it was nothing other than that. I can get along with anybody. I don't really have a problem with anybody, not even him. We just came to work together.

"I'm not a guy that's going to try and override a coach's opinion. He's the coach and it's not my nature to question his decisions. I didn't do it behind the scenes and I still won't do it because I respect his position as our coach. I just want to be coachable. I think one of the worst things you can do is get so arrogant, get so high to where you can't be coached. That's how I looked at it."


I think that it is bad that Redd just can't come out and state the obvious until after the coach/previous coaches get canned. At least even though he didn't click with LK (for numerous reasons) he tried to adapt to his style, which I respect out of a player.

Also isn't our "best player" supposed to be on the same page with the coach and lead from the front of the line, and not just "get along"? This is what pisses me off about Redd. He is too afraid to make his honest opinion known about the team and thus he will never be a true leader. He is too nice of a guy.

Reading between the lines I get from this that he just goes threw the motions unless pushed from coaches, avoids making comments so it would appear that nothing is the matter when that isn't how he truly feels.

I think that it was obvious to Redd that LK was given control to develop a new style of offense (involving Bogut who he was coaching with as a Big mans coach and seemed to have chemistry with) and also for getting the team to play any defense whatsoever. Obviously LK/the players failed this year on the defense side, but if others on the team like Redd just "showed up to work together" with Krystowiak then no wonder why we didn't do better than we did.

It is commendable for Redd to bite his tongue and not make a scene "a la Mo Williams", but it is also disheartening to hear him talk with so little emotion or passion for the game. :(

I do think that if we get someone in here like Rick Carlisle that both Redd and Bogut share mutual respect for, and would go to bat for the coach no matter what, we will have success.

Just thought this article from the JS was interesting since Michael rarely addresses issues like this and this is obviously something he's been holding inside for awhile. He really needs to open up more and be a better leader next year.

We need to get Carlisle and have Redd and Bogut become the new Reggie Miller/ Jermaine O'Neal.


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Post#2 » by NotYoAvgNBAFan » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:22 am

That is cowardice...don't run your :censored: mouth now Redd! :nonono:

:wavefinger: Too late for that! Too late for this propaganda! :curse:

Save it! There is never a wrong time to step up! He should have done this before.

Now go get a coach who is a great leader as mentioned on these very here boards when he was released and our season was slipping away...

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Post#3 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:19 pm

It seems like the only man on the court or in the Bucks organization that Redd didn't have a problem with was Stotts......
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Post#4 » by Bucks_Revenge » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:09 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:It seems like the only man on the court or in the Bucks organization that Redd didn't have a problem with was Stotts......



Stotts allowed Redd to dribble dribble shoot for 48 minutes and 82 games....plus Redd knew Stotts from the Karl era so that could be why they had a better relationship.
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Post#5 » by europa » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:13 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:It seems like the only man on the court or in the Bucks organization that Redd didn't have a problem with was Stotts......


And Karl.

I agree it's commendable Redd didn't "pull a Mo" and become a total a**hole this season. But if he wants to be regarded as the team's leader he needs to step up and be more vocal internally when times are tough. When he stood by and let Bogut be mocked by Mo during the team meeting, that spoke volumes about his lack of ability in that area. But I don't think Redd has it in him to be a strong leader. I think he's a lot like Ray Allen was in that regard. Fine player on the court, but not the type of leader a team really needs.
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Post#6 » by jeremyd236 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:17 pm

He didn't "have a problem" with him, as he clearly stated. He just didn't respect him really beyond a player/coach relationship. I don't understand how anyone could get upset over these comments. Since Karl, Redd's been coached by unproven guys who aren't even in the league coaching anymore.
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Post#7 » by lessthannick11 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:19 pm

I find it funny anytime anyone claims they are "being professional" by not making things public.

You are calling him out by saying you are great and have never called him out.....
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Post#8 » by jeremyd236 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:25 pm

lessthannick11 wrote:I find it funny anytime anyone claims they are "being professional" by not making things public.

You are calling him out by saying you are great and have never called him out.....



Where is Redd calling him out? Is there one word in his many statements that says anything bad about LK at all? The media probably asked him if he had a problem with LK, and that was his answer. I don't understand how people can get so upset about this, he's not saying anything bad about the coach.

CV and other players on the team have had similar comments as well, but nobody's getting all pissy about that. So far, nobody on the team has said anything bad about LK
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Re: Redd's comments on Krystkowiak 

Post#9 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:32 pm

One of the overriding themes of the season was the inability of guard Michael Redd and Krystkowiak to get on the same page, something that Redd addressed after the game in Minnesota.

"There wasn't a huge chemistry there, obviously," Redd said. "But I'm professional and he was professional about it, and we had a professional working relationship. But it was nothing other than that. I can get along with anybody. I don't really have a problem with anybody, not even him. We just came to work together.

"I'm not a guy that's going to try and override a coach's opinion. He's the coach and it's not my nature to question his decisions. I didn't do it behind the scenes and I still won't do it because I respect his position as our coach. I just want to be coachable. I think one of the worst things you can do is get so arrogant, get so high to where you can't be coached. That's how I looked at it."


I think that part I put in bold is really telling.

not even him = not even that a-hole

paulpressey25 wrote:It seems like the only man on the court or in the Bucks organization that Redd didn't have a problem with was Stotts......


I'm told that he and Gary Payton got along well.
At least off the court anyway. They liked to play dominoes together.

But yeah, Redd's good public image I think has pulled the wool over many people's eyes for years, including my own. I think Sigra had the right idea back when he used to go on his rants about the sinister side of Michael Redd.


jeremyd236 wrote:I don't understand how people can get so upset about this, he's not saying anything bad about the coach.


He absolutely is.

You're being naive here, IMO.

Redd is basically saying, "I'm a professional, so I'm not going to go into detail about why I think our coach is a tool."

That's speaking out of both sides of one's mouth.

If I say "With all due respect, you are a complete d-bag" am I really being respectful? I think not.



BTW, I in no way shape or form am saying you are a d-bag. Just wanted to clarify that ;)
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Post#10 » by Chapter29 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:36 pm

Same thoughts I had GAD when reading that.
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Post#11 » by WRau1 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:42 pm

IF Redd doesn't speak out, hes not a leader. If he does, hes a coward. Got it.
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Post#12 » by LUKE23 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:49 pm

Chapter29 wrote:Same thoughts I had GAD when reading that.


Yeah. Biggest thing about Redd is how much he tries to go out of the way to say positive things, but then his actions never reflect it. Like, "all I care about is winning", but then when he's on the court he doesn't give ANY effort defensively, especially getting back in transition and he consistently takes on double/triple teams by himself during games.

Actions speak louder than words. Sadly, Redd has been mostly words and no action.
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Post#13 » by IrishRainbow » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:51 pm

WRau1 wrote:IF Redd doesn't speak out, hes not a leader. If he does, hes a coward. Got it.


When he's doing it after the fact and without the possible repercussions. Like kicking a chained up dog.

I am one of the belief that Redd does have good intentions, he just doesn't know any other way. Subservient nice guy that does what he's been told. He might have the opportunity to stick around under a new coach that can utilize him for what he is...a shooter, a scorer...not the team's leader.
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Post#14 » by Bucks_Revenge » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:55 pm

why are there people standing up for mo and redd here...it's so confusing.
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Post#15 » by lessthannick11 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:56 pm

Well GAD beat me to it but he made my point. You cant cover up comments with a condition claiming "Im such a good guy I wont even talk bad about that jerk, wink wink"
Its not just Redd though, athletes do this all the time and expect us to think that they are above all this name calling and bad mouthing because they are "professional"

But honestly, did anyone keep reading after this lovely nugget
"I think one of the worst things you can do is get so arrogant, get so high to where you can't be coached. That's how I looked at it."
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Re: Redd's comments on Krystkowiak 

Post#16 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:01 pm

ReddManBogieMan wrote:I found this to be very interesting coming from the guy everyone calls a "non-leader" because he doesn't speak up. Turns out he just tried to be professional and not bash LK in the media or in private.

One of the overriding themes of the season was the inability of guard Michael Redd and Krystkowiak to get on the same page, something that Redd addressed after the game in Minnesota.

"There wasn't a huge chemistry there, obviously," Redd said. "But I'm professional and he was professional about it, and we had a professional working relationship. But it was nothing other than that. I can get along with anybody. I don't really have a problem with anybody, not even him. We just came to work together.

"I'm not a guy that's going to try and override a coach's opinion. He's the coach and it's not my nature to question his decisions. I didn't do it behind the scenes and I still won't do it because I respect his position as our coach. I just want to be coachable. I think one of the worst things you can do is get so arrogant, get so high to where you can't be coached. That's how I looked at it."


I think that it is bad that Redd just can't come out and state the obvious until after the coach/previous coaches get canned. At least even though he didn't click with LK (for numerous reasons) he tried to adapt to his style, which I respect out of a player.

Also isn't our "best player" supposed to be on the same page with the coach and lead from the front of the line, and not just "get along"? This is what pisses me off about Redd. He is too afraid to make his honest opinion known about the team and thus he will never be a true leader. He is too nice of a guy.

Reading between the lines I get from this that he just goes threw the motions unless pushed from coaches, avoids making comments so it would appear that nothing is the matter when that isn't how he truly feels.

I think that it was obvious to Redd that LK was given control to develop a new style of offense (involving Bogut who he was coaching with as a Big mans coach and seemed to have chemistry with) and also for getting the team to play any defense whatsoever. Obviously LK/the players failed this year on the defense side, but if others on the team like Redd just "showed up to work together" with Krystowiak then no wonder why we didn't do better than we did.

It is commendable for Redd to bite his tongue and not make a scene "a la Mo Williams", but it is also disheartening to hear him talk with so little emotion or passion for the game. :(

I do think that if we get someone in here like Rick Carlisle that both Redd and Bogut share mutual respect for, and would go to bat for the coach no matter what, we will have success.

Just thought this article from the JS was interesting since Michael rarely addresses issues like this and this is obviously something he's been holding inside for awhile. He really needs to open up more and be a better leader next year.

We need to get Carlisle and have Redd and Bogut become the new Reggie Miller/ Jermaine O'Neal.


http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=740930


Honestly there are quite a few players that aren't crying many tears over LK's dismissal and more then a few that only had a "professional" relationship with him. A majority seemed to think he was a nice guy, and respected how hard he worked but knew from very early on that he was in way over his head. LK needed to be developed as a head coach on this level before he was given the job.. the new position of being the main man accountable on an NBA level was so different from what he experienced as a college coach that he made a TON of mistakes. Which was evidenced by some of his rotations, his failed "motivational" speeches, and his very ideals of how he could change the defense...that stuff worked in college but not here and probably not on many teams in the NBA (it isn't just our players who would have turned their backs on his tactics).

For instance LK didn't always address issues when his players brought them to him.. and wasn't always on top of controlling for the differing egos/personalities in his lockerroom. That is one reason why Hammond was so clear on the fact that he wanted a "strong personality" to coach this team.. LK was strong on some things but definitely not on others, and due to that things ended up festering between players that contributed to the downfall of the team in general. Too many people were fighting for control of the lockerroom and it resulted in factioning off and dissention as an entire team. Again, I think LK could one day be a really decent/good head coach, but he needs to work as someone's assistant for more than 1 season to get there.
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Post#17 » by carmelbrownqueen » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:07 pm

lessthannick11 wrote:Well GAD beat me to it but he made my point. You cant cover up comments with a condition claiming "Im such a good guy I wont even talk bad about that jerk, wink wink"
Its not just Redd though, athletes do this all the time and expect us to think that they are above all this name calling and bad mouthing because they are "professional"

But honestly, did anyone keep reading after this lovely nugget
"I think one of the worst things you can do is get so arrogant, get so high to where you can't be coached. That's how I looked at it."


They have to maintain that media image I guess.
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Re: Redd's comments on Krystkowiak 

Post#18 » by Sigra » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:14 pm

GrandAdmiralDan wrote:But yeah, Redd's good public image I think has pulled the wool over many people's eyes for years, including my own. I think Sigra had the right idea back when he used to go on his rants about the sinister side of Michael Redd.


This entire season I felt like Redd was uncomfortable so much that he sabotaged his coach. Don't get me wrong, Krystkowiak was terrible coach. But Redd didn't help. Stotts was also terrible coach but Redd singlehandly won few games for him.

I think new coach will eather kiss Redd's ass (like Stotts did) or will get this year Redd (like Larry did) and will be doomed. That's if Redd is still here next year.
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Post#19 » by WEFFPIM » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:50 pm

It probably shouldn't have been said, but let's face it, if it were Andrew Bogut saying this, very few people here would have an issue with it.
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Post#20 » by xTitan » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:57 pm

I all of a sudden like Larry K. even more. Players may not have liked him and I am fine with that, but everyone here needs to realize that there are VERY few coachable players on this team. This Bucks team is full of agendas, there so-called star has always seemed more interested in being an all star or making an olympic team than doing what it takes to play winning basketball ...and thats sacrafice. I truly don't like, and downright hate a couple players on this team....the Bucks are a microcosim of all the ugly things about the NBA, IMO.

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