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Trade 1: Bucks and Clippers
Michael Redd
2008 2nd Round Draft Pick #37
2009 2nd Round Draft Pick

for

Cuttino Mobley
Tim Thomas
2008 1st Round Draft Pick #6

-I didn't feel like the Clippers would do this trade without us throwing in something more than Michael Redd.

Trade 2: Bucks and Heat
Mo Williams

for

Udonis Haslem
Daequan Cook

Trade 3: Bucks and Knicks
Charlie Villanueva
Dan Gadzuric

for

Jerome James
David Lee
Wilson Chandler

-I know that this is just a trade I thought up, but I think that Villanueva and Gadzuric would be better fits in a Mike D'Antoni offense. I think that New York may overvalue players that they can fit into their system because of their lack of a playmaking point guard. I think that if we offer them two offensive fits for D'Antoni's system, that they will think they can be effective if they bring in Bayless, Rose, or Mayo.

Trade 4: Bucks and Kings
Desmond Mason (expiring)
Yi Jianlian

for

John Salmons
Shelden Williams

-The Kings would benefit greatly from the acquisition of Yi. We would benefit greatly from having a SG that plays defense and a strong inside player on the defensive end.

Draft

Pick #6: Eric Gordon, SG, Indiana
The trades leave us a little thin at Shooting Guard after this season. Gordon looks like a sniper from anywhere on the court, and is capable of getting to the rack. He is not a shut down defender, but plays passing lanes well and is a capable man to man defender.

Pick #7: Russell Westbrook, PG, UCLA
This pick seems like a little bit of a reach, but there is not many teams with 2 first round draft picks to trade down with in the first round. Westbrook has all of the makings of a shutdown defensive point guard. He and Sessions would be the future of our point guard position.

Roster

PG: Sessions / Bell / Westbrook
SG: Salmons / Mobley / Gordon / Cook
SF: Simmons / Thomas / Chandler
PF: Haslem / Lee / Williams
C: Bogut / Williams / James

I know that it takes a future draft pick to get there, but I think that this is the kind of team that Scott Skiles would dream of coaching. We bring a lot of toughness in the paint and our starters can defend across the board.

EDITED: Put all of the changes into the original post.

EDITED : Put all of the changes into the original post.

UGH....that trade with Sac is terrible

Didn't you read this thread yet?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

I'm sorry, but all of your trades are either unrealistic, or horrible.

Rockmaninoff wrote:Didn't you read this thread yet?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

I'm sorry, but all of your trades are either unrealistic, or horrible.

Yeah, the difference between that thread and this one is that the readers of that thread were respectful in their responses despite disagreeing with them.

2 of my trades are cookie cutter from another thread. Now, they weren't called unrealistic or horrible there, but here is a whole different story.

Sometimes I don't understand this forum. If the right poster writes it, it is fine, but if someone else does it, it isn't. You might disagree, but constructive criticisms and points where you disagree with some sort of retort (intelligent, not just UGH I HATE THAT TRADE, or "all of your trades are horrible") would be nice. I know that you have made the exact same claim in one of your own trading threads Rockmaninoff.

Balls2TheWalls wrote:Yeah, the difference between that thread and this one is that the readers of that thread were respectful in their responses despite disagreeing with them.

2 of my trades are cookie cutter from another thread. Now, they weren't called unrealistic or horrible there, but here is a whole different story.

Sometimes I don't understand this forum. If the right poster writes it, it is fine, but if someone else does it, it isn't. You might disagree, but constructive criticisms and points where you disagree with some sort of retort (intelligent, not just UGH I HATE THAT TRADE, or "all of your trades are horrible") would be nice. I know that you have made the exact same claim in one of your own trading threads Rockmaninoff.

Hey, I'm usually not that harsh, and I do admit that at times I'm pretty thin-skinned myself. But, the reason I said what I did, and it's not because I play favorites, is because I already explained in that other thread that you can't expect to field a team of redundant crap, and expect to win.

Please, try to do better. Try to think of fair deals for both sides. If you are trying to get something from a team that they may be reluctant to give up, sweeten the pot. Consider history. Consider context. Consider future plans. Of both parties.

I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, I'm just getting tired of repeating the same stuff over and over, and nobody (Will Perdude gets it) paying attention. When you figure out the formula, it's pretty simple, and it's all relative.

Unfortunately, the only trade where I see us getting an unfair deal is the Knicks deal, and if you look at the trade options with the Knicks in the trade checker, you would understand why it is so difficult to work a trade with New York. Their only cap fillers are their strong role players, and everyone else sucks and is cap handicapping.

I thought exactly about this in the Kings deal that no one seems to like. Everyone seems to think that Yi is a for sure superstar, but he hasn't shown the ability to finish at the rack or even assert himself on the defensive end. John Salmons and Shelden Williams do just that. They might not be sexy names, but you have to have some sort of role players to have a deep team. What exactly has Desmond Mason done to deserve being more than just a throw in on a deal?

I guess that I am upset because trades 1 and 2 are straight out of other peoples' offseasons that were regarded as genius, but they get to here and suddenly everything is crap.

Fact of the matter is teams don't jump from #7 in the lottery to NBA Championship winners. The Bucks have to completely change the face of their franchise.

I find that when you aren't a (what I call) Power Poster on this site, you tend to get ignored (At least it seems that way). Fact is, I don't read every thread. I didn't read much at all of Chuck's thread, so I didn't see what you had to say. So instead of posting the link and telling me my ideas are horrible, how about you give me some sort of feedback that you would give to someone that you consider on your same intelligence level.

Balls2TheWalls wrote:Unfortunately, the only trade where I see us getting an unfair deal is the Knicks deal, and if you look at the trade options with the Knicks in the trade checker, you would understand why it is so difficult to work a trade with New York. Their only cap fillers are their strong role players, and everyone else sucks and is cap handicapping.

I've looked at the Knicks situation plenty of times. That's why I think that unless we can dump our bad contracts on them for Marbury's expiring, and their good role players (Lee, Balkman, and Robinson), it isn't worth our time. If you think about their situation, they are going to try to dump their bad contracts and let Marbury and Rose expire. They don't make easy partners with us, unless we reconsider Zach Randolph.

Balls2TheWalls wrote:I thought exactly about this in the Kings deal that no one seems to like. Everyone seems to think that Yi is a for sure superstar, but he hasn't shown the ability to finish at the rack or even assert himself on the defensive end. John Salmons and Shelden Williams do just that. They might not be sexy names, but you have to have some sort of role players to have a deep team. What exactly has Desmond Mason done to deserve being more than just a throw in on a deal?

I understand what you are saying, but you're giving up a guy who does have potential in Yi and an expiring contract, for two guys who are what they are. Average role players. The consensus is that Yi is worth more than that or that he could be used in a deal in which we bring back a proven All-Star level player. Now, Yi and Mason for Ron Artest and Garcia is a good deal.

Balls2TheWalls wrote:I guess that I am upset because trades 1 and 2 are straight out of other peoples' offseasons that were regarded as genius, but they get to here and suddenly everything is crap.

I don't like either of those trades. I haven't said much about them prior, but that's the truth. I don't think Miami gives up Cook in that deal, and I think the LA deal is 2 role players and a potential sixth man for a Big 3 scorer and 2 role players.

Balls2TheWalls wrote:Fact of the matter is teams don't jump from #7 in the lottery to NBA Championship winners. The Bucks have to completely change the face of their franchise.

Boston. Granted that is once in a lifetime, but if a team knows what the have, and what they need, they can jump from #7 to deep playoffs rather quickly.

Balls2TheWalls wrote:I find that when you aren't a (what I call) Power Poster on this site, you tend to get ignored (At least it seems that way). Fact is, I don't read every thread. I didn't read much at all of Chuck's thread, so I didn't see what you had to say. So instead of posting the link and telling me my ideas are horrible, how about you give me some sort of feedback that you would give to someone that you consider on your same intelligence level.

Read every thread. At least for awhile. You will gain so much knowledge and it will help you start to see the patterns. Study the history of the league. When you are watching games, watch the guys who don't have the ball. Think about types of players, and not names. Use the numbers AND your visual instinct to form your opinion. Listen to everybody, but trust in yourself.

I do consider you on my level. I consider everyone here on 'the level'. Opinions may be different, but that's a good thing, as it promotes healthy discussion. As far as the 'club' atmosphere of this board, that's just something that a quasi-newbie like myself has to deal with in any situation where the old meets the new. Gain respect, and you gain admittance.

Sorry for being a jerk earlier. I hope you consider this feedback as a more positive form. Go Bucks!

I like all the trades except your last one with the Kings. I wouldn't give up Yi unless somewhere in a deal an all-star was coming back. Shelden and Salmons are pretty redundant considering you've got Haslem and David Lee coming in and are drafting Westbrook and Gordon. We can hang onto Yi in that scenario.

I don't see the Knicks doing that trade, but I'd be all over it.

I also don't see the Heat tossing in Cook along with Haslem, given Cook's youth and upside, but I'd ask for him as well. Still settle for just Haslem.

The one that is new here IMO is the Knicks angle since D'Antoni is now there. Having a bunch of plodding guys like Lee and James wouldn't fit an uptempo game. But I can't see them giving up Lee and Chandler for CV/Gadz.

paulpressey25 wrote:I like all the trades except your last one with the Kings. I wouldn't give up Yi unless somewhere in a deal an all-star was coming back. Shelden and Salmons are pretty redundant considering you've got Haslem and David Lee coming in and are drafting Westbrook and Gordon. We can hang onto Yi in that scenario.

I don't see the Knicks doing that trade, but I'd be all over it.

I also don't see the Heat tossing in Cook along with Haslem, given Cook's youth and upside, but I'd ask for him as well. Still settle for just Haslem.

The one that is new here IMO is the Knicks angle since D'Antoni is now there. Having a bunch of plodding guys like Lee and James wouldn't fit an uptempo game. But I can't see them giving up Lee and Chandler for CV/Gadz.

I think that I would give up on Chandler if I could bring back Lee. I just couldn't find a lot of cap filler to make trades work with the Knicks.

As far as the Kings trade... I really would just like to see John Salmons in a Bucks uni. I think he plays the right way. However, I don't see them trading him straight up for an expiring Desmond Mason. Maybe they throw in a 1st round pick if we give them Yi? I just don't see room for Yi on the court unless he is going to play the 3. Maybe I just scrap this part of the trade and we wait for Desmond Mason to expire for ourselves.

I agree that the Heat probably don't throw in Cook, but there is no reason not to ask. Even if they don't, I still have us drafting Eric Gordon. I think that Gordon could be a quick answer at the 2 position.

Jerome James is the highlight of all the trades.