Woelfel on WSSP: Bucks to keep Sessions

[ReasonablySober]

You can't argue stupid.

[trwi7]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

Redd - 4.8 FTA per 36 minutes
Villanueva - 4.4 FTA per 36 minutes

Much better? Really?

[LUKE23]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

I disagree. CV can score face-up, from 3, off the drive, posting up, and midrange. There is really no way he can't score. Few PF's can contain him off the dribble, and when he gets a guy his size on him he can score in the post. His 3 allows him to pull the opposing PF out and then either hit it or drive by him.

And CV plays a much harder position to find talent, PF. SG/SF are much easier to find.

[emunney]

I hate to bring this up, but I have to put my hand up at the talk of Ramon's max offer being the full MLE. A team can still offer Ramon a max contract if they have the space for it. The only thing that's different is the way it counts against the cap on our end. It's MLE for the first two years, and then it balloons way out for the balance of the deal to make up the difference.

[Ill-yasova]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

Redd has shot 161 FT in 1203 min. CV has shot 156 in 1267 min. Oh and CV has 135 makes Redd has 131.

Come on buddy. Do some research here.

[LUKE23]

I hate to bring this up, but I have to put my hand up at the talk of Ramon's max offer being the full MLE. A team can still offer Ramon a max contract if they have the space for it. The only thing that's different is the way it counts against the cap on our end. It's MLE for the first two years, and then it balloons way out for the balance of the deal to make up the difference.

Is the max it counts against our cap the MLE for the first two years no matter what amount of an offer sheet Sessions signs (MLE being the minimum obviously)?

[emunney]

Yep.

[europa]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

Redd - 4.8 FTA per 36 minutes
Villanueva - 4.4 FTA per 36 minutes

Much better? Really?

I should have rephrased to say that during his career Redd has been much better. He has consistently gotten to the line 6-8 times per game. This season, his average had gone down, but historically Redd has been much better at getting to the line. I was basing my comment on career to date, not just this season.

[emunney]

It would take us through the end of Redd's contract, in other words.

[msiris]

I only see CV as a scorer. He really does not do anything else well. Sounds like someone we already know that a lot of people complain him. Redd. But both Bogut and CV have only displayed that talent
for about a 1/2 a season each.

He's averaging 9.5 rebounds per 36 (average minutes for starter).

I hate that stat. In January when he started and played well he only averaged 7 per game.
In Feb he has only averaging 6.3 so far and he is playing a lot of minutes the last 2 months. I do not think he is a good rebounder for his size.

[europa]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

Redd has shot 161 FT in 1203 min. CV has shot 156 in 1267 min. Oh and CV has 135 makes Redd has 131.

Come on buddy. Do some research here.

Don't just focus on one season. Look at career numbers. It's important you do some research too.

[msiris]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

Redd has shot 161 FT in 1203 min. CV has shot 156 in 1267 min. Oh and CV has 135 makes Redd has 131.

Come on buddy. Do some research here.

Your both wrong. Session does it much better.

[LUKE23]

So if he signed say a 4/32 offer, would we pay him something like:

Year 1: 6M
Year 2: 6M
Year 3: 9M
Year 4: 11M

??

[LUKE23]

I hate that stat. In January when he started and played well he only averaged 7 per game.
In Feb he has only averaging 6.3 so far and he is playing a lot of minutes the last 2 months. I do not think he is a good rebounder for his size.

I hate per 48 stat, but per 36 is a good one because it's about what starters usually get on average. And you can compare 25+ minutes to 36, in my opinion.

CV in starters minutes has been essentially a 22/9+ player this year.

[Ill-yasova]

I only see CV as a scorer. He really does not do anything else well. Sounds like someone we already know that a lot of people complain him. Redd. But both Bogut and CV have only displayed that talent
for about a 1/2 a season each.

He's averaging 9.5 rebounds per 36 (average minutes for starter).

I hate that stat. In January when he started and played well he only averaged 7 per game.
In Feb he has only averaging 6.3 so far and he is playing a lot of minutes the last 2 months. I do not think he is a good rebounder for his size.

8 boards per game as a starter, so... your impression of him seems to be incorrect. And that is only an avg of 29 min. With a few more minutes a game he'll be good for 9 or more.

[emunney]

I was actually mistaken about the max salary part. It doesn't balloon out to cover the difference after the first two years. It balloons out as if the first two years were the max salary, so you still save that money off the max those first two years, but then the last three years would appear as if the first two years were also max. So it would be 2 MLE years followed by 3 max years, basically. Obviously anybody should correct me if I'm wrong.

The only things I'm 100% solid on is that Ramon can get a much bigger contract than the full MLE, and that the first two years of that deal (on a matched offer sheet) will be MLE 1st year, then MLE plus the maximum raise on the 2nd year.

[LUKE23]

I was actually mistaken about the max salary part. It doesn't balloon out to cover the difference after the first two years. It balloons out as if the first two years were the max salary, so you still save that money off the max those first two years, but then the last three years would appear as if the first two years were also max. So it would be 2 MLE years followed by 3 max years, basically. Obviously anybody should correct me if I'm wrong.

The only thing I'm 100% solid on is that Ramon can get a much bigger contract than the full MLE.

Can you type out what it would look like? Say he got 5/40.

[Ill-yasova]

Redd is MUCH better at getting to the line and drawing fouls. You're right, he's not the same as Villanueva. He's a much more diverse scorer than Villanueva.

Redd has shot 161 FT in 1203 min. CV has shot 156 in 1267 min. Oh and CV has 135 makes Redd has 131.

Come on buddy. Do some research here.

Don't just focus on one season. Look at career numbers. It's important you do some research too.

One player is five years older than the other. One is nearing the end of his prime, the other is entering the beginning of his prime. That's like running a race where one guy gets a 10 ft head start. i'm looking at things in the present tense. CV is just tapping his potential.

[JoeHova]

I hate that stat. In January when he started and played well he only averaged 7 per game.
In Feb he has only averaging 6.3 so far and he is playing a lot of minutes the last 2 months. I do not think he is a good rebounder for his size.

He appears to be a pretty good rebounder. Him and Dan are tied for 2nd on the team in rebounding percentage at 15.6%, meaning they get 15.6% of available rebounds when they are on the court. Bogut's at 19.6%, Mbah A Moute is 4th at 14.1%, Elson is at 13.5%, Allen is at 10.5%.

Just for comparison, among star PF/Cs who are rumored to be traded, Bosh is at 14.9%, Amare is at 12.9%, Jermaine O'Neal is at 14.2%, LaMarcus Aldridge is at 11.8%, Shawn Marion (though he's played mostly SF this year) is at 14.4%, Rasheed is at 13.3%.

[emunney]

Depends on what the MLE was. Let's say it's 6 like you said.

yr 1: 6
yr 2: 6.48 (8% raise)
yr 3: 8.58
yr 4: 9.173 (6.9% raise)
yr 5: 9.766 (6.9% raise of yr 3 salary)