HAWKS OFFSEASON / DRAFT THREAD 20-21

Jeffster81 · Post #41 » by **Jeffster81** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 12:53 am

I think the best part of the draft was knowing Vegas has two expensive goalies, with one of them being on the old side. Teams were said to be saying to no to Vegas when Las Vegas offered up MAF and 50% retention and a 2nd rd pick. Sounds like the only way MAF gets moved from Las Vegas is if the Knights attach a 1st rd pick to MAF. Love it.

GRADEN · Post #42 » by **GRADEN** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 2:12 am

Yep heard Zawaski say that too... I was surprised he or Staz wasn’t moved. I honestly think no one did it because it would ensure Pietrangelo was headed to T-Mobile

GRADEN · Post #43 » by **GRADEN** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 5:33 pm

Jeff, what do you think of this for our current prospect rankings list? I’m not including Boqvist despite him being under the 65 game mark and being 20.

1. D Ian Mitchell
2. LW Pius Sutter
3. G Drew Commesso
4. C Phillip Kurashev
5. D Nicolas Beaudin
6. LW Lukas Reichel
7. D Lucas Carlson
8. LW Michael Teply
9. C Evan Barrett
10. LW Matej Chalupa
11. RW Arthur Kayumov
12. D Alex Vlasic
13. RW Mackenzie Entwistle
14. D Alec Regula
15. D Wyatt Kaiser
16. LW Brandon Hagel
17. C Antti Saarela
18. G Kevin Lankanen
19. D Wyatt Kalynuk
20. RW Cam Morrison

Jeffster81 · Post #44 » by **Jeffster81** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 5:54 am

GRADEN wrote:Jeff, what do you think of this for our current prospect rankings list? I’m not including Boqvist despite him being under the 65 game mark and being 20.

1. D Ian Mitchell
2. LW Pius Sutter
3. G Drew Commesso
4. C Phillip Kurashev
5. D Nicolas Beaudin
6. LW Lukas Reichel
7. D Lucas Carlson
8. LW Michael Teply
9. C Evan Barrett
10. LW Matej Chalupa
11. RW Arthur Kayumov
12. D Alex Vlasic
13. RW Mackenzie Entwistle
14. D Alec Regula
15. D Wyatt Kaiser
16. LW Brandon Hagel
17. C Antti Saarela
18. G Kevin Lankanen
19. D Wyatt Kalynuk
20. RW Cam Morrison

I like it for the most part. I would put Commesso and Reichel somewhere around the 8-11, only because they are recent draft picks and we don't know where they are at development wise currently. But man, Mitchell, Boqvist and Sutter have got to hit because, while they seems to be quick a few future bottom six guys on that list, I don't see too many top 2 lines talent.

Jeffster81 · Post #45 » by **Jeffster81** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 5:57 am

GRADEN wrote:Yep heard Zawaski say that too... I was surprised he or Staz wasn’t moved. I honestly think no one did it because it would ensure Pietrangelo was headed to T-Mobile

What's also hurting Vegas is MAF's nmc.

And there are/were rumors that GMs were not thrilled about how the Knights were able to manipulated their expansion draft, and if that is true....nobody is going to be in a rush to help out Vegas.

GRADEN · Post #46 » by **GRADEN** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:46 pm

Saad and Gilbert traded to Aves for D Nikita Zadarov and D Anton Lindholm.....

Look Gilbert and Lindholm are AHL / Fringe call-ups so those wash out.

Saad is 1/6
Zadarov RFA signed his QO at 1/3.2

We paid 1m of the 6 so basically this is a net 1.8m and creates a top 6 winger hole the size of the Grand Canyon will also shoving down a d propspect back to AHL... I’m looking right at Lucas Carlson on that.

No one should be upset they traded Saad... we had to get something.... but I wanted a 2nd and a mid tier prospect and nothing more. That’s what he was worth.

Now to Zadarov.... he is a nice addition - just 25 with tons of experience. Has a tremendous personality and loves to play to his size which is a massive 6’5 225. Has a
nice heavy shot. He is going to be a second pairing for us so wonder who doesn’t fit....

Keith - Boqvist
Murphy - Zadarov
De Haan - Mitchell

I mean we did lose Maatta and Koekkoek for nothing so we needed to add....

Overall my instant reaction are WHERE ARE THE PICKS! but honestly I expect an extension within 5 days and it’s going to be 3/12 for Zadarov

GRADEN · Post #47 » by **GRADEN** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:50 pm

Next deal for me would be to buy 3.5-4m of Fleurys deal for 1 of their 2nd rounders. That would make fleury more tradable for sure.

How about this deal:

Vegas receives 2 going no where prospects 1 from Chicago and 1 from Edmonton

Chicago takes on 4m cap hit of year / sends out Josh Ess / receives 2nd rounder from Vegas

Edmonton sends out pointless prospect receives Marc Andre Fleury and 2nd rounder from Vegas

Vegas signs Pietrangelo

I’d do that in a heart beat

Jeffster81 · Post #48 » by **Jeffster81** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:32 pm

A couple of thoughts from Avs fans about Zadorov but I put them in spoilers, so this post would not be too long.

Spoiler:

What this reads is that Zadorov is a very talented player but he's more of a specialist than a full time player. Basically, if you want a guy shut down, he'll do it and be good at it but if you are asking him to shut down multiple players during a game, he'll struggle. He's also been hampered by a hard to pleased coach. Every little mistake he makes, the coach would cut his ice time down and his confidence gets shaken. I'm not saying to coddle him but if the Hawks can let this players play through his mistake, if the Hawks can find the right role for him to fill, I think there is more to Zadorov to unlock.

I hate losing Saad but (unlike another Hawks board I visit) I am not losing my stuff of losing him. I know the Hawks could have waiting till the deadline to move him but I think they wanted to open his spot for a younger player. Saad was leaving either way, I'm glad the got a promising player in return.

GRADEN · Post #49 » by **GRADEN** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:30 pm

Hawks just signed LW Janmark from Stars 1/2.25

Well there is Saad’s replacement right there because he plays the PK. He is a good 3rd line wing, it’s a solid addition but it DOES go against the narrative now doesn’t it???? Lol, odd it is in line with Toews losing his buddy right.

Thanks for the post on Zadarov... it’s definitely in line with how I see him too. I like him, he seems like a good locker room fit to me too. We needed someone like that in terms of hitting too. We did lose 2 vet Dmen after all...

The issue here as always is so umm which direction are you truly going in Stan???

GRADEN · Post #50 » by **GRADEN** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:45 pm

Thinking more on it - if Janmark plays 2nd line mins is at say 26pts in 50 games or something like that would a contender give up a 2nd rounder to rent him at deadline? If that plays out, then shoot sign me up. Janmark did play in the cup final after all, that could be appealing at the deadline for someone

GRADEN · Post #51 » by **GRADEN** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:13 pm

New Blackhawks defenseman Nikita Zadorov said Patrick Kane reached out to him after the recent trade.

"He said he’s really excited to not have to play against me anymore," Zadorov said. "I think it’s one of the best things to hear from one of the best players in the world."

Really cool thing to find amongst all this junk.

He is going to be a wonderful locker room addition

Also I guess Janmark wanted to a hawk and I guess during his draft we were set to take him in the 3rd if available

I get the sense his camp reached out to hawks

GRADEN · Post #52 » by **GRADEN** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:28 pm

Lots of moves lately....

Sign LW / C Mattias JanMARK 1/2.25
Sign W / C Lucas WallMARK 1/900k

Well shoot, you know what these are both good depth signing and I like both players quite a bit actually.

Only problem is that it goes against the “give the young guys a chance” speech... so ummm yea.

It also puts a bit of confusion into the Dylan Strome deal or lack there of... Wallmark can play 3rd line center and Janmark middle 6 winger... and those are 2 spots slotted for said Strome.

He has no arbitration rights and the hawks could say screw you and sign him under a million for 1 season if they choose. Better scenario would be to bridge him for exactly 2 years and entice the signature with a rumored 2.9per making it a 2/5.8 that ends in RFA status and still 25 by the end of that.

I’ll tell you what if a team comes in and just says here’s a 2nd for him I’d jump all over it.

And let’s get to the biggest thing that happened in my view:

DEVON TOEWS!! He is a second pairing D at 26 and is a nice offensive player in his prime... and he was worth 2!!!!! 2nd round picks to Colorado???????? And yet Brandon Saad at 27 is worth zero picks and Nikita Zadorov’s 1 year QO 3.2????????

I mean wth Stan.... do you have any idea how much the direction of this train would change if we had say 3 extra top 50-60 picks over next 2 seasons would be....

Jan Mysak and Luke Tuch just went back to back to Montreal (our pick by the way) at 47/48.... that’s a future 2nd line or 3rd like scoring punch right there. But no, your re-tooling again is killing us. Now all the vets hate coming to work. It’s ridiculous. And you combine in a green thumb coach with said vets. It’s all backwards.... you had Lavie / GG just sitting around....

It took the Bulls like 15 years to say you know what these guys don’t know what they’re doing... 15 long terrible years.... please stop this... he is in over his depth, it’s very obvious when you see comparable assets always being dealt and getting the W in those deals!

GRADEN · Post #53 » by **GRADEN** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:54 pm

Rockford just signed G Cale Morris from Notre Dame... 24 year old / heck of a college career but very limited nhl projection if any at all... this is more about have a backup or emergency backup behind Tompkins

I assume at this point it’s Delia / Subban / Lankanen trio in NHL with Lankanen and Tompkins starting out in Rockford with Morris filling in as a backup when asked... Commesso off to Boston University and Dominic Basse off to Colorado.

I mean let’s be real here we have 6 underachieving / unknown guys. Doesn’t look good.

I’ve seen Subb live a bunch, he gives up rebounds like crazy and for whatever reason is terrible with shots from the left circle and pretty good going left and stopping shots from the right circle.

I once saw a game where off a faceoff with 3 seconds to go let one in - not a 1 timer just a faceoff win

GRADEN · Post #54 » by **GRADEN** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:13 pm

How we seeing the lines?

Team is set / assuming we bridge Strome and then will be done.

L1: Janmark - Toews - Kubalik
L2: DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
L3: Suter - Strome - Wallmark
L4: Carpenter- Kampf - Highmore

Main backups: Nylander - Shaw - Quenneville - Hagel

D1: Keith - Boqvist
D2: Murphy - Zadorov
D3: De Haan - Mitchell

Main backups: Carlson, Seabrook, Seeler, Beaudin

G1: Delia
G2: Subban

I think when you look at the top 9 actually looks pretty good. Problem is now the top line really doesn’t have a proven scoring option on the left side any more. Janmark / Wallmark / Shaw / Suter???? Not sure any of those guys can be counted on to produce a 40 pt season.

The D core looks solid but it will all depend on De Haan health and Boqvist growth.

In net, it’s terrifying.... wow. Delia to me is the clear best option here.

GRADEN · Post #55 » by **GRADEN** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:03 pm

Very interesting, so I’ve been monitoring the Tyson Jost deal.... it’s going to be a barometer for Strome. He just signed a 1 year deal (no FT yet) and not a 2 year. That means he wanted to get to AR and RFA and not bridge small aav for 2-3years.... it will be a bargaining chip Strome will likely use to get a 1 year deal instead of a 2 year deal.

If I had to guess I’d bet Strome camp is saying they’ll take less on a 1 year deal like 1 / 1.5 and hawks are saying take more aav but sign for 2 years like 2 / 4.5 range.

GRADEN · Post #56 » by **GRADEN** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:12 pm

Jake Virtanen just extended 2 / 5.1

He is 24 and was a top pick / bridging him 2 years on a fair market price.

More indication of where Strome should be...

If I were the hawks I’d start with 2/4.2 and go up to 4.5 and that’s it. Or he take the 1/900k with no AR and suck it up... honestly he needs to go to Stan and say I’ll take 2/4 and play my butt off.

2 years is interesting thing though bc he will likely be exposed in the expansion draft because of all our NMCs with the vets

GRADEN · Post #57 » by **GRADEN** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:35 pm

Gurianov just signed that exact same 2/5.1

So there you go there are the comps for Stromes bridge deal. You have to think he is just below those deals in the 2/4.5 range. Why this hasn’t gotten done yet is not something I quite get yet as it seems straight forward

GRADEN · Post #58 » by **GRADEN** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:41 pm

Not sure why D Strome hasn’t signed yet... seems pretty straight forward/ 2/5.8 to me. That benefits both team getting a 2nd year and player to bypass a 1 year 900k deal as there are no Arb rights. There has been about 7-8 deals in that same scenario that have gotten done so ummm yea

GRADEN · Post #59 » by **GRADEN** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 9:07 pm

What a bizarre off season... and Strome’s agent just retired from hockey representation to take a normal job and thus a deal was delayed.

On the positive though... a lot of our guys are playing well overseas on loan... especially Phillip Kurashev who looks “smooth”. Gotta like Hagel too. I like our prospect core, it definitely lacks that high end forward skill no doubt, but the grit and depth has really improved.

Is Reichel going to be a star? No, he is not... his ceiling is Brandon Saad which as we know is a really really good top 6 wing whom you can trust at both ends. There were better players available at 17 but I do admit they all had risk attached where as I see Reichel in a nice safe spot to develop and come over more ready. Lapierre for one is such a boom or bust but honestly he is going to be a star... it’s in his nature.

Post #60 » by **TNBT** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:01 am

It’s interesting to hear you say that you think there were better players available at our pick than Reichel, as he was very high on my list. I follow a couple other teams as well and I was hoping that if we didn’t get him that he would fall to one of them in the second round. Of course it is possible that some kids taken after him have better careers, as there are always a few diamonds in the rough in every class. However, based on what we know RIGHT NOW, I don’t really see many guys at all from this class who have Reichel bear for talent, and he also has that safety factor of having a fairly high floor as well. I’d rather take a guy who is very close to the top as far as talent and is a low risk to bust than a guy who might be slightly more talented but could be an absolute waste of a pick.