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Re: GAME THREAD: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Utah Jazz 

Post#61 » by shrink » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:54 pm

minimus wrote:As well as I understand there are three separate questions here. First, we are able technically to resign Edwards, MCD, DLo, Reid and Nowell. Second, depending on new contracts we might go in luxury tax zone, whether new owners will be willing to pay extra depends on our winning record. Finally, it is expected a big salary cap raise in 2023-24. I assume that for MIN as small market team it might be beneficial because we will be able to keep our RFAs without much of financial implications in future. Although I might be mistaken.

Good post, but while the new tv deal raising the cap makes for less financial implication if we can keep our players, pumping money into the system has always benefited big market teams more. Not only does it allow them to make offers to free agents for their “destination team” (which could hurt MIN), but it may make them more willing to spend, if they can duck under the lux and avoid repeater penalties.

The worst example of this unbalancing was recent - the last tv deal. When the Players’ Union refused to accept cap smoothing, it allowed the Warriors (who already had two expensive star players) to add Durant.

I see the rising cap as a problem for MIN. Imagine we look at the money and say, “Jaylen, we can offer you $20 mil a year!” Unfortunately, the Lakers realized they can offer $20 too, so he went there.
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Re: GAME THREAD: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Utah Jazz 

Post#62 » by minimus » Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:07 pm

shrink wrote:
minimus wrote:As well as I understand there are three separate questions here. First, we are able technically to resign Edwards, MCD, DLo, Reid and Nowell. Second, depending on new contracts we might go in luxury tax zone, whether new owners will be willing to pay extra depends on our winning record. Finally, it is expected a big salary cap raise in 2023-24. I assume that for MIN as small market team it might be beneficial because we will be able to keep our RFAs without much of financial implications in future. Although I might be mistaken.

Good post, but while the new tv deal raising the cap makes for less financial implication if we can keep our players, pumping money into the system has always benefited big market teams more. Not only does it allow them to make offers to free agents for their “destination team” (which could hurt MIN), but it may make them more willing to spend, if they can duck under the lux and avoid repeater penalties.

The worst example of this unbalancing was recent - the last tv deal. When the Players’ Union refused to accept cap smoothing, it allowed the Warriors (who already had two expensive star players) to add Durant.

I see the rising cap as a problem for MIN. Imagine we look at the money and say, “Jaylen, we can offer you $20 mil a year!” Unfortunately, the Lakers realized they can offer $20 too, so he went there.

If I remember correctly last time MIN used that salary cap in the most stupid way: we overpaid Dieng and guys like Hill and Aldrich. So I believe that this new change can be either beneficial for us, or complete disaster depending on our FO decision making ability.
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Re: GAME THREAD: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Utah Jazz 

Post#63 » by Calinks » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:57 pm

thinktank wrote:The defensive scheme has changed without Karl out there.

When a little gets by their defender, we’re playing on the side and behind him and letting that defender go face-to-face with Rudy.

It’s working and it’s how Utah did it too.

The offensive player can pass out or take on Rudy with another defender hanging around then in an unorthodox position (again: behind or to the side). Kinda crazy.

Its simpler basketball and more forgiving of permiter guys messing up. With KAT, when Ant or Dlo drop the ball its often disastrous because its easier for KAT or Rudy to get exploited by a small or good ball movement. Some of t his could probably be negated with some different habits on Karl's end, playing PF is different than Center and he still does some stuff he is accustemd to doing as a center but its a lot easier with someone at the 4 who is quicker or just knows the position better and then Rudy can clean up a lot of the breakdowns.

The onus is heavily on the perimeter defense with our two big scheme and Dlo and Ant have both gotten torched on many occasions. On top of that, out turnovers make it even worse. I think if we got a better point of attack defender to start at the 1 or 2, we would have looked much better.
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Re: GAME THREAD: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Utah Jazz 

Post#64 » by TimberKat » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:27 pm

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shrink wrote:I’m listening to DLo’s postgame, and I kind of agree with him that he is better as “just a basketball player” rather than a PG, like when Kyle Anderson is playing PG. I don’t think he should be playing point guard (2 AST, 3 TO tonight). He never wanted to play that position, (OSU forced him to learn it), and while he’s a good passer, he makes a lot of mistakes and he doesn’t have the feel of the game to get the team involved correctly. I’d prefer to see him as a microwave scorer off the bench, where he gets minutes on the nights where he’s on. But when you’re paid that much, I think it keeps you as a starter.

Let DLo be DLo. He is not a PG and cannot defend the PG for the full game. He is a combo guard or shooting guard that some time can make good passes

Russell is 11th among PGs and 13th among all NBA players for assists. He can make a good pass more than some time.

Total number of assists is a more replaceable stat for pgs. Here is some number to consider:
Chris Paul life-time avg: AST 9.5; TO:2.4; steals 2.1 (use as indicator for pressure/effort on defense)
Lonzo ball life-time avg: AST 6.2; TO:2.5; steals 1.6
DLo life-time avg: AST 5.6; TO:2.8; steals 1.1
DLo best version (the last 3 games avg): AST 4; TO: 3.3; steals 0.7; pts 28.3
Not to mention (which I am mentioning) DLo's best game of the season: AST 2;TO 3; steals 0; 30pts

The point is he is not good at point. He needs that find his shot and shoot first mentality. He makes risky and carless passes that when it works it look great. If this team is going anywhere, he needs to play the Beasley role which he is great at. We are missing 3 to 4 Gobert dunks per game right now because our point of attacker cannot think pass first. Thinking pass first is a very difficult rhythm to adjust to for some players.
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Re: GAME THREAD: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Utah Jazz 

Post#65 » by KGdaBom » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:56 am

TimberKat wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
TimberKat wrote:Let DLo be DLo. He is not a PG and cannot defend the PG for the full game. He is a combo guard or shooting guard that some time can make good passes

Russell is 11th among PGs and 13th among all NBA players for assists. He can make a good pass more than some time.

Total number of assists is a more replaceable stat for pgs. Here is some number to consider:
Chris Paul life-time avg: AST 9.5; TO:2.4; steals 2.1 (use as indicator for pressure/effort on defense)
Lonzo ball life-time avg: AST 6.2; TO:2.5; steals 1.6
DLo life-time avg: AST 5.6; TO:2.8; steals 1.1
DLo best version (the last 3 games avg): AST 4; TO: 3.3; steals 0.7; pts 28.3
Not to mention (which I am mentioning) DLo's best game of the season: AST 2;TO 3; steals 0; 30pts

The point is he is not good at point. He needs that find his shot and shoot first mentality. He makes risky and carless passes that when it works it look great. If this team is going anywhere, he needs to play the Beasley role which he is great at. We are missing 3 to 4 Gobert dunks per game right now because our point of attacker cannot think pass first. Thinking pass first is a very difficult rhythm to adjust to for some players.

2-1 A/TO isn't good, but it doesn't suck either. Russell is a PG and that is his best position.
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Re: GAME THREAD: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Utah Jazz 

Post#66 » by Nick K » Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:13 pm

TimberKat wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
TimberKat wrote:Let DLo be DLo. He is not a PG and cannot defend the PG for the full game. He is a combo guard or shooting guard that some time can make good passes

Russell is 11th among PGs and 13th among all NBA players for assists. He can make a good pass more than some time.

Total number of assists is a more replaceable stat for pgs. Here is some number to consider:
Chris Paul life-time avg: AST 9.5; TO:2.4; steals 2.1 (use as indicator for pressure/effort on defense)
Lonzo ball life-time avg: AST 6.2; TO:2.5; steals 1.6
DLo life-time avg: AST 5.6; TO:2.8; steals 1.1
DLo best version (the last 3 games avg): AST 4; TO: 3.3; steals 0.7; pts 28.3
Not to mention (which I am mentioning) DLo's best game of the season: AST 2;TO 3; steals 0; 30pts

The point is he is not good at point. He needs that find his shot and shoot first mentality. He makes risky and carless passes that when it works it look great. If this team is going anywhere, he needs to play the Beasley role which he is great at. We are missing 3 to 4 Gobert dunks per game right now because our point of attacker cannot think pass first. Thinking pass first is a very difficult rhythm to adjust to for some players.


That's right. Dlo even admitted he's not the greatest PG. He said he was more of a SG. He actually said, paraphrasing, when I stop concentrating on PG duties it leaves me more free to just play and score within my game.

Let Slo Mo or Ant bring the ball up.

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