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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#561 » by minimus » Wed Jan 4, 2023 9:58 pm

fattymcgee wrote:I'm not so sure anyone will offer Nowell over $12M per year, he hasn't stepped up like we thought he would.
His defense is terrible! It's weird because he usually seems like he's giving effort, but just dumb defensively. He's weak, doesn't take the right angles, and in the zone he falls asleep and let's the other team get repeated dunks.

Agree. How much would you offer him?
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#562 » by Dewey » Wed Jan 4, 2023 11:23 pm

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fattymcgee wrote:I'm not so sure anyone will offer Nowell over $12M per year, he hasn't stepped up like we thought he would.
His defense is terrible! It's weird because he usually seems like he's giving effort, but just dumb defensively. He's weak, doesn't take the right angles, and in the zone he falls asleep and let's the other team get repeated dunks.

Agree. How much would you offer him?

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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#563 » by wolves_89 » Wed Jan 4, 2023 11:28 pm

fattymcgee wrote:I'm not so sure anyone will offer Nowell over $12M per year, he hasn't stepped up like we thought he would.
His defense is terrible! It's weird because he usually seems like he's giving effort, but just dumb defensively. He's weak, doesn't take the right angles, and in the zone he falls asleep and let's the other team get repeated dunks.


I think that being a defensive liability and shooting sub 30% on 3s likely holds down Nowell's free agent market. Right now, I'd bet on the non-taxpayer MLE ($11.4M first year) being the ceiling on his next contract.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#564 » by minimus » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:47 pm

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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#565 » by Biff Cooper » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:14 pm

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So he has a total eFG of 49.6%, but when he is unguarded it is 37.5%? He must have a guarded eFG of close to 60%?
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#566 » by NebWolvesFan » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:26 pm

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So he has a total eFG of 49.6%, but when he is unguarded it is 37.5%? He must have a guarded eFG of close to 60%?


I'm guessing the open shots are almost all open 3s. He's struggling from distance this year. He still hits a lot of tough 2s. I actually think it's a blessing that Jaylen is struggling in a contract year. I still believe in his talent and would love him back next year on a cheap contract. His agents are probably pissed they passed on an 7-8 million dollars a year deal.
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Post#567 » by Klomp » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:21 pm

Nowell may have unintentionally Shabazzed himself...
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#568 » by Nick K » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:13 pm

minimus wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:I'm not so sure anyone will offer Nowell over $12M per year, he hasn't stepped up like we thought he would.
His defense is terrible! It's weird because he usually seems like he's giving effort, but just dumb defensively. He's weak, doesn't take the right angles, and in the zone he falls asleep and let's the other team get repeated dunks.

Agree. How much would you offer him?


I'd offer him bus-fare out of town. :)
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#569 » by Nick K » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:17 pm

Klomp wrote:Nowell may have unintentionally Shabazzed himself...


Yep. I have been a big supporter of Nowell since the draft. This was his year to shine and he's done nothing but play himself off the team. You have to move to the next level and for whatever reason he hasn't.

I've finally thrown in the towel. It's time to move on.

It's like he's been playing for a contract and the pressure has got to him. He forces everything and plays no defense. What a shame.
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Post#570 » by Neeva » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:30 pm

He will be playing in China soon if he keeps this up.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#571 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:33 pm

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fattymcgee wrote:I'm not so sure anyone will offer Nowell over $12M per year, he hasn't stepped up like we thought he would.
His defense is terrible! It's weird because he usually seems like he's giving effort, but just dumb defensively. He's weak, doesn't take the right angles, and in the zone he falls asleep and let's the other team get repeated dunks.


I think that being a defensive liability and shooting sub 30% on 3s likely holds down Nowell's free agent market. Right now, I'd bet on the non-taxpayer MLE ($11.4M first year) being the ceiling on his next contract.


I can't see someone paying him that much.

He has no "plus" skills. Especially now that his 3 point shooting last season looks like a clear outlier:

20: 33% on 150 Attempts.
21: 39% on 160 Attempts.
22: 29% on 186 Attempts.

If we can even recoup a 2nd round pick for him, we should pounce on it.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#572 » by Domejandro » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:33 pm

There is a reason why I called people insane for suggesting that a max extension (~$15MM) was on-the-table. I was lightly critical of the team for not offering him something like $24/4 (my presumption is they offered him less), but I am glad that they did not.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#573 » by Folklore » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:41 pm

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So he has a total eFG of 49.6%, but when he is unguarded it is 37.5%? He must have a guarded eFG of close to 60%?


I'm guessing the open shots are almost all open 3s. He's struggling from distance this year. He still hits a lot of tough 2s. I actually think it's a blessing that Jaylen is struggling in a contract year. I still believe in his talent and would love him back next year on a cheap contract. His agents are probably pissed they passed on an 7-8 million dollars a year deal.


Would have been nice to see Beasley's name.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#574 » by Klomp » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:46 pm

Domejandro wrote:There is a reason why I called people insane for suggesting that a max extension (~$15MM) was on-the-table. I was lightly critical of the team for not offering him something like $24/4 (my presumption is they offered him less), but I am glad that they did not.

I believe Doogie had been reporting that the team offered 3/$9M going into the season.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#575 » by Biff Cooper » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:57 pm

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So he has a total eFG of 49.6%, but when he is unguarded it is 37.5%? He must have a guarded eFG of close to 60%?


I'm guessing the open shots are almost all open 3s. He's struggling from distance this year. He still hits a lot of tough 2s. I actually think it's a blessing that Jaylen is struggling in a contract year. I still believe in his talent and would love him back next year on a cheap contract. His agents are probably pissed they passed on an 7-8 million dollars a year deal.


Well, he is shooting 28.5% from 3, which equates to an eFG of 42.75%. He must be shooting contested 3pters better than uncontested ones...
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#576 » by minimus » Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:07 pm

Nowell had been bad... The only thing I like about his game is how willing he is running in fastbreak and finishing in transition. I don't have any stats but I have feeling that he is a pretty efficient transition scorer.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#577 » by Klomp » Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:54 pm

His struggles are why the Hyland rumors exist, I think
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#578 » by life_saver » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 pm

He has been poor this season and has limitations but I wouldn't mind re-signing him for a reasonable contract. Nowell's value is quite low at the moment...I wouldn't mind re-signing him for something like 3 years $10-12M kind of contract if possible.
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#579 » by Baseline81 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:57 pm

Taken from the latest Athletic article:
Timberwolves guard Jaylen Nowell is leaning toward leaving the team in the offseason via free agency, sources say. Nowell — a 23-year-old guard who is averaging a career-high 10.9 points in 19.7 minutes per game — will be a sought after unrestricted free agent in July

https://theathletic.com/4136200/2023/01/30/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-raptors-bucks-suns-crowder/
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Re: The Jaylen Nowell Thread 

Post#580 » by minimus » Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:11 pm

Is leaning to leave? Well... He definitely has shot himself in leg this year. I have feeling that he has no legs when he shoots. The release is there, but footwork looks inconsistent.

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