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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#141 » by Calinks » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 pm

This game still really hurts, really bad way to go into a break. 0 points from the PG position is bad, I know DLO had his problems and wasn't a great fit but damn, we got to get some production from there. I really hope they can integrate KAT well, if so it will change the dynamic dramatically, as it stands we need another dynamic scorer. Ant has been great but he still can get shut down, Towns consistency would be big.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#142 » by Neeva » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:32 pm

I am furious at our coach and his substitutions. This thpe of loss just breaks fan spirit!
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#143 » by Note30 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:59 pm

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Both big men were the issue for all plays. But the issues is that all the weight is on them as well. We had a weak shooting lineup

Offense Play 1: Nowell should have gone down to the 3 pt line instead of cutting. Anderson should have curled and rolled to the basket. Reid would have had one less man to deal with and Anderson could have finished the play if passed at that angle.

Defensive play 1: Anderson should have covered faster

Offensive Play 2: They managed to break the zone defense with that pass to Reid. He should have waited for them to spread out and they could have just cut to the basket. Or Reid could have done a kick and drive to the corner.

Defensive Play 2: Reid was slow in recovering so the three was open off a cover. He shouldn't have tried to cover the paint once it was obvious he wouldn't make it back.

Offensive Play 3: The pick and roll should have been set after Anderson went to the corner taking his defender with him. The second one same issue, two defenders. The Nowell cut was nice just an unfortunate finish, would have been better to jump stop after the curl.

Defensive Play 3: No one was marking Gafford, until Prince realized he was in the paint.

Offensive Play 4: Gafford should have been called for 3 second violation, unless that foot did make it past the block. Regardless, Anderson should have made that.

Overall we had Prince and Reid as our best shooters, but Reid was relegated to trying and breaking a zone defense.

Should have subbed Anderson for a better shooter.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#144 » by TimberKat » Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:11 am

I am speechless after how the game turn out. We do need another dynamic scorer (Westbrook, KLove, Wall, Clarkson?) to run with the second unit. At the same time, I would think the team should be more prepared for the zone D. The substitution pattern is questionable also. The game also showed why Ant is not at the true all-star level yet. He's got the moves and shots but need to clean up his game to get there. There were just too many miss shots the 4th qtr. We got to have a couple pet plays to run when things break down and that can't be Ant going 1-1 (at least not right now). I am old school and would call for a low post up or elbow to initial the offense to get people moving.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#145 » by Folklore » Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:18 am

Why are so many of you surprised? Did people really think that we were going to win games on Ants scoring alone? The only reason we won the Mavs game is because Ant was shooting well. We aren't so far removed from the 4th quoter losses because nobody other than the starters could create their own shot.

I'm not saying Dlo was perfect but he's the reason that we stayed in games and won some. I wouldn't be surprised if we missed the playoffs because of a Lakers defeat just to give Danny another great rookie and Ant reason to bolt asap.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#146 » by Note30 » Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:06 am

Folklore wrote:Why are so many of you surprised? Did people really think that we were going to win games on Ants scoring alone? The only reason we won the Mavs game is because Ant was shooting well. We aren't so far removed from the 4th quoter losses because nobody other than the starters could create their own shot.

I'm not saying Dlo was perfect but he's the reason that we stayed in games and won some. I wouldn't be surprised if we missed the playoffs because of a Lakers defeat just to give Danny another great rookie and Ant reason to bolt asap.


Yeah outside of Ant we have zero scoring threats in that starting lineup. Getting KAT back should help but given he'll be out for almost 5-10 more games we're gonna probably miss the regular seeding and have to go through the playins again.

We need a dynamic scorer off the bench. If we could get Terry Crozier to replace Nowell, we'd have a better chance.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#147 » by TimberKat » Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:39 am

Folklore wrote:Why are so many of you surprised? Did people really think that we were going to win games on Ants scoring alone? The only reason we won the Mavs game is because Ant was shooting well. We aren't so far removed from the 4th quoter losses because nobody other than the starters could create their own shot.

I'm not saying Dlo was perfect but he's the reason that we stayed in games and won some. I wouldn't be surprised if we missed the playoffs because of a Lakers defeat just to give Danny another great rookie and Ant reason to bolt asap.

Yes, Wolves should had won. Wizards double up on us in the 4th qtr 39 to 18. We were scoring fine for 3 qtr. There is more than one way to win a game like playing a little better D in the 4th. DLo is also the reason we were behind in a lot of games. Do agree we need another scorer off the bench.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#148 » by shangrila » Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:00 am

Someone mentioned this as a trap game and it turns out they were right.

It also feeds into something I brought up before we traded Russell, which is the lack of consistent scoring outside of Ant. When KAT gets back it won't be as big of an issue but right now it's got the potential to bite us in the ass.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#149 » by Folklore » Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:43 pm

shangrila wrote:Someone mentioned this as a trap game and it turns out they were right.

It also feeds into something I brought up before we traded Russell, which is the lack of consistent scoring outside of Ant. When KAT gets back it won't be as big of an issue but right now it's got the potential to bite us in the ass.



Either Kahn didn't know that we'd need scoring because he didn't bother to look at the team's history. But I wish that we would have grabbed Jordan Clarkson since they're on a tank mission and Nowell made his future plans clear.
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Re: Wizards and Wolves, 7 pm 

Post#150 » by twolves31 » Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:15 pm

shangrila wrote:Someone mentioned this as a trap game and it turns out they were right.

It also feeds into something I brought up before we traded Russell, which is the lack of consistent scoring outside of Ant. When KAT gets back it won't be as big of an issue but right now it's got the potential to bite us in the ass.


If all the wolves did for preparation was look at the standing and say we have a better record than sure it was a trap game. Washington has a better record than us since December 20th they are 17-10 compared to 15-15 for us. But yes we do badly need a scorer out there that isn't a turnstyle. Conley isn't a turnsytle but won't provide 4-5 3's in a row like Dlo could.

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