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Game 4 | DEN @ MIN

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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#141 » by TheZachAttack » Thu Nov 2, 2023 7:48 pm

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jpatrick wrote:I don’t think Towns has a high BBIQ or have an emotional maturity of a top two player on a championship team. He doesn’t naturally make the right play or do a lot of the little things. All that said, he is so skilled at that size, he will always be a positive player. The hope is that Gobert can do those things Towns doesn’t. Gobert is playing like the Gobert we traded for. He is incredible defensively right now.

I really think we need a backup PG. He is the guy that controls the tempo, is unflappable, and keeps us in rhythm. I don’t trust anyone on that second unit to do the same, including Anderson. I hate trading more assets for a win now player when I see Ant’s timeline as the future, but someone like Brogdon, with his shooting and experience, would help us so much. No idea how we’d make that contract work.

I am in the PG need wagon as well.


I agree this is the biggest gap on the team right now. You might say they are missing another ball handler that can apply downhill force and get to the rim, but if you accept that Naz is a weird big man version of a Jordan Clarkson type of role or a player who does this this initiator role is the biggest gap.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#142 » by Guest84 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:15 pm

I love how the national sports media completely buried anything about the wolves beating the nuggets. Not one mention at all, as if the game didn't even happen.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#143 » by TimberKat » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:43 pm

Guest84 wrote:I love how the national sports media completely buried anything about the wolves beating the nuggets. Not one mention at all, as if the game didn't even happen.

Because it doesn't fit their narrative of how bad the Wolves are: Towns/Gobert doesn't work, they can't played defense, they blow big leads, etc, etc. I just read another article about Towns/Gobert and you can tell they haven't watched any of this year's games. Maybe just watched 2nd half of Hawks game.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#144 » by Guest84 » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:00 pm

The more I think about it, I think we're going to see the "growing pains" that should've taken place last season, early on this season. Due to Kat being out early on and then the constant in and out of other guys last year. While the main guys are here, the rest of the roster was basically overhauled completely. Could be a wild roller coaster early on.

However, their high seems extremely high when clicking so that's something to be excited about. But their lows...shhh
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#145 » by DaMplsKid » Fri Nov 3, 2023 6:01 pm

Another great video and breakdown of the game. Really shows hoe Rudy did a lot of the small things for the win.

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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#146 » by younggunsmn » Sat Nov 4, 2023 1:37 am

Finally got a chance to watch the replay of this game.

Can't believe all the KAT bashing.
Yes he was out of control on offense, still trying to find his place in the 2 big scheme, but then again so is everyone else too.
And still a lot of whining about calls and falling to the floor. I think he may have built a bit of a rep as a flopper and this is a reason he doesn't get as many calls. The other reason of course is that refs are mandated not to put superstars in foul trouble, and a lot of the terrible no calls in the first half were about keeping Joker in the game. If you are calling everything by the book, Jokic may have fouled out in the 1st quarter.

But don't ignore the good things KAT did as they aren't the things you normally notice from him.
1. Phenomenal job of Jokic and great team defense. Whatever action they are running for Jokic, it usually ends up with him getting to the middle of the floor and using his vision to create for his teammates. KAT did a great job stonewalling him in the middle of the floor and using his size to cut down on his vision. Jokic 25 points on 23 FGA, just 3 Assists to 5 TOs, and only 2 FTAs, that's about as good as anyone will defend Jokic this year. Our wing defenders also did a phenomenal job on staying with cutters, Rudy did a great job protecting the paint, essentially ignoring Aaron Gordon who was almost completely unable to make us pay.
But that all starts with great point of attack D on Jokic by KAT limiting his vision and cutting down his passing angles.
2. Much improved verticality this year when contesting shots.
3. Much better effort trying to finish through contact. You can tell this was a real point of emphasis.

Gobert - much more proactive on defense, and this was the kind of rim protection and shot deterrence I was expecting when we traded for him. He was constantly letting drivers get too deep on him last year.
Nuggets are a great matchup for our 2 big lineup as they really can't counter it defensively or punish us with a stretch big.
Gobert can play free safety against them, not going to work as well against some other teams or when teams go small.
This may have been my favorite game from him post trade even though he was 0/7 from the field, most of which came from ill advised passes. He did rim run some, but he didn't linger there or try to post up at all which was a big improvement for the spacing, and did set a lot of perimeter screens which is something I've been asking for.

Conley - was huge, deadly floater game, if he gets that going it will open the offense up a lot.
Ant and KAT still trying to find their place in this offense.

Jaden and Naz - Watching Jaden play D on Murray in the 1st half, and Naz light things up on the 2nd unit, makes me wonder what could have been last year in what was a really tight series. Jaden made some poor decisions with the ball, but his D and rebounding were great, and his ability to shoot and attack closeouts IMHO is going to be the key to unlocking this offense.

Zeke Nnaji a better rim protector than I was expecting, did not offer anything offensively. Braun still good, but you can tell they miss Bruce Brown too. Very little offense off Denver's bench is going to be a weak point for them.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#147 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Sat Nov 4, 2023 7:55 am

Agree with what you say. One of the best Rudy game so far despite no bucket. Actually Jaden and Rudy are for me top 5 defenders in the league. Ant is quite good too, Mike is smart enough and KAT have a huge game on this part. If we can maintain this level of intensity and consistency ( our weak point), we may have the best NBA defense. And you can build from that. Let's wait another 10 -12 games as consistency will be the key. But talent is here obviously.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#148 » by Tukkerwolf » Sat Nov 4, 2023 6:24 pm

Defence won't be our problem anyway. The issue is and will remain that both KAT and Ant are at their best when there is a risk of them attacking the basket. With Rudy on the court that possibility is largely negated by the defensive big who in the past was drawn away by KAT.

KAT is the second best offensive big in the NBA, if he is the big and the 4 can shoot some 3s.

Ant is a lethal triple threat if there is no big clogging the lane.

As long as Gobert is around the identity of this team needs to be defense first, because offensive we will be too limited.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#149 » by TimberKat » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:25 pm

Tukkerwolf wrote:Defence won't be our problem anyway. The issue is and will remain that both KAT and Ant are at their best when there is a risk of them attacking the basket. With Rudy on the court that possibility is largely negated by the defensive big who in the past was drawn away by KAT.

KAT is the second best offensive big in the NBA, if he is the big and the 4 can shoot some 3s.

Ant is a lethal triple threat if there is no big clogging the lane.

As long as Gobert is around the identity of this team needs to be defense first, because offensive we will be too limited.

I keep seeing we can't have good offense with Gobert. Instead of getting into X and O and how it may work, could someone explain why the 2021-2022 Jazz has the highest offensive rating in the league??? It seems most here think Ant is better than Mitchell, and Conley is Conley. Do we have to trade Towns for Bogdanović?

Any is not exactly triple threat. Hopefully he will get there.
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Re: Game 4 | DEN @ MIN 

Post#150 » by vtime » Sun Nov 5, 2023 3:26 am

TimberKat wrote:
Tukkerwolf wrote:Defence won't be our problem anyway. The issue is and will remain that both KAT and Ant are at their best when there is a risk of them attacking the basket. With Rudy on the court that possibility is largely negated by the defensive big who in the past was drawn away by KAT.

KAT is the second best offensive big in the NBA, if he is the big and the 4 can shoot some 3s.

Ant is a lethal triple threat if there is no big clogging the lane.

As long as Gobert is around the identity of this team needs to be defense first, because offensive we will be too limited.

I keep seeing we can't have good offense with Gobert. Instead of getting into X and O and how it may work, could someone explain why the 2021-2022 Jazz has the highest offensive rating in the league??? It seems most here think Ant is better than Mitchell, and Conley is Conley. Do we have to trade Towns for Bogdanović?

Any is not exactly triple threat. Hopefully he will get there.


Agree. Also the Knicks had a top 2 defense last season with Mitchell Robinson on the court so I can’t understand how Rudy is in the way of driving lanes but Mitchell wasn’t.

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